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>rich white couple from the U.S. buying up a ton of Chilean land The "white" part is unnecessary, as we don't tend to racially classify our population, or we d
by sandov 8y ago
>rich white couple from the U.S. buying up a ton of Chilean land
The "white" part is unnecessary, as we don't tend to racially classify our population, or we don't use it as a hate tool as in the US, we have better ways to hate each other: Income level, political ideology, etc.
- wahern 8y agoI have a passing outsider's knowledge of Chilean history and I think it's worth noting that Chile stands out among South American nations in how thoroughly it eradicated and assimilated the indigenous populations. Once upon a time (even up to the latter part of the 20th century) that would have been considered by most in the West[1] as a laudable achievement, and in Chile it still largely is considered so, AFAIU. Not the eradication of indigenous people's per se (which is conveniently glossed over or minimized), but in the social equality wrought by the strong cultural homogenization through waves of immigration. But the West in the 21st century has put much more value on diversity and on preserving cultural and ethnic identities, calling into question the morality of Chilean national identity. In other Andean nations skin tone is still very much a thing; not necessarily negative--i.e. being more brown isn't necessarily negative--but nonetheless something that can figure prominently in both social and friendly discourse. Just thought I'd mention it. Not trying to cast value judgments, but it's worthwhile to note that Chile is very much in a different place than the rest of the West in how it contextualizes these issues. [1] Chile being politically and culturally Western no less than France or the U.S.
- torstenvl 8y ago> But the West in the 21st century has put much more value on diversity and on preserving cultural and ethnic identities... Only minority identities, and only the approved ones. The West's "noble savage" narratives are almost as offensive as how it treats Wallonia or the Basques. And America loves you if you're Kurdish, but if you're a Yezidi woman they'll prosecute you for being a sex slave (forced concubinage to Da'esh apparently counts as material support of terrorism).
- wahern 8y agoSure. The diversity zeitgeist is no less hypocritical or capable of prejudice than previous eras.
- rexpop 8y agoThis is a horrific thing you have just described. Where is it documented how Yezidi women are prosecuted for supporting terrorism?
- torstenvl 8y agoThe case below isn't a prosecution, but a deportation of a Salvadoran slave. Forced to serve terrorists under threat of death = material support for terrorism. One of the experts consulted in the preparation of the article appears to have speculated that Yezidis would be treated similarly, but I can't find an actual example of that yet. https://theintercept.com/2018/06/09/immigration-terrorism-prosecutions-material-support-united-states/ https://theintercept.com/2018/06/09/immigration-terrorism-pr...
- InitialLastName 8y agoSo what you're saying is that you fabricated a horrific example that you can't back up with any information for to make your point?
- zeegroen 8y agoWhat's the problem with Wallonia?
- roel_v 8y agoHe's trying to paint the picture that Wallonia is a repressed ethnic minority. My head spins at the level of idea-twisting it would require to claim something like that. Otoh it's also interesting to find a new trope that this guy's ideological tribe is latching on to.
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- FruityFarm 8y ago>The "white" part is unnecessary, as we don't tend to racially classify our population That's utter bullshit.
- rexpop 8y ago> This non-absolute, generic universality must guard against the facile tendency of conflation with bloated, unmarked particulars -- namely Eurocentric universalism -- whereby the male is mistaken for the sexless, the white for raceless, the cis for the real, and so on. Absent such a universal, the abolition of class will remain a bourgeois fantasy, the abolition of race will remain a tacit white-supremacism, and the abolition of gender will remain a thinly veiled misogyny. — Xenofeminism
- mushbino 8y agoMakes dividing and conquering that much easier.
- snowwrestler 8y agoI hesitated to put that in, because I knew I would get responses like this. But the reality is that the Tompkins' being white was a significant part of some of the conspiracy theories about what they were doing.