For whatever it's worth, here's an interview that's more recent with Zubrin: https://www.thespaceshow.com/show/07-aug-2018/broadcast-3167-dr.-robert-zubrin http

For whatever it's worth, here's an interview that's more recent with Zubrin: https://www.thespaceshow.com/show/07-aug-2018/broadcast-3167-dr.-robert-zubrin https://www.thespaceshow.com/show/07-aug-2018/broadcast-3167... . He's obviously still pro-Mars, but in that interview he seemed less anti-Moon than he was in the past (but emphatically against certain approaches).