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I've heard this distinction before, and I think it's a difference in the base quality of the place. My last three jobs all put "passion" as a major hiring cri

I've heard this distinction before, and I think it's a difference in the base quality of the place. My last three jobs all put "passion" as a major hiring criteria, but all maintained a strong work/life balance (average work week was 40 hours give or take a few, and though crunch times happened more than a few weeks a year was considered a bad thing. I conducted plenty of interviews myself and helped write interview questions so I'm pretty confident in what _we_ meant at least, even if I wasn't a hiring manager. One of those places, however, did slide after a few years into the nastiness described (I left when the slide started, and it reportedly continued). Another So while "Passion" CAN mean "we want huge levels of uncompensated work without complaint", that has not been the norm for mean and I think it's a mistake to assume that is what is always meant. Certainly I've been at some great places to work that I'd have avoided if I thought asking for passion was a negative.

scarface74 8y ago
You would be surprised about how many founders who post on HN bemoan the fact that they can’t find developers who have passion for the founder’s “vision” and only care about the money. My usual retort is why should I care about a founder’s vision if I don’t have a substantial amount of equity in the company? They find that highly insulting.
- ergothus 8y ago
  I have zero disagreement here. I have a similar reaction when someplace tries to attract me to the "challenge". Finding hard, interesting work is EASY - I'm looking for interesting work (often but not always hard) that also pays well. ...and it'd be nice to be able to tell people who I work for and what I do without feeling defensive. Nothing wrong with believing in the product or the company, but there is something wrong with thinking that would be enough. I don't think the entitled executive syndrome you're discussing is really the norm for companies, but yeah, I've encountered it and it's annoying.
Drdrdrq 8y ago
> Another Come on, you can't leave us hanging like this... What happened there? :)
- ergothus 8y ago
  Sorry - that was a mostly removed sentence, because it wasn't very interesting: "Another is a new job, so we will have to see how well they sustain it".

scarface74 8y ago

You would be surprised about how many founders who post on HN bemoan the fact that they can’t find developers who have passion for the founder’s “vision” and only care about the money. My usual retort is why should I care about a founder’s vision if I don’t have a substantial amount of equity in the company? They find that highly insulting.

ergothus 8y ago
I have zero disagreement here. I have a similar reaction when someplace tries to attract me to the "challenge". Finding hard, interesting work is EASY - I'm looking for interesting work (often but not always hard) that also pays well. ...and it'd be nice to be able to tell people who I work for and what I do without feeling defensive. Nothing wrong with believing in the product or the company, but there is something wrong with thinking that would be enough. I don't think the entitled executive syndrome you're discussing is really the norm for companies, but yeah, I've encountered it and it's annoying.

Drdrdrq 8y ago

> Another Come on, you can't leave us hanging like this... What happened there? :)

ergothus 8y ago
Sorry - that was a mostly removed sentence, because it wasn't very interesting: "Another is a new job, so we will have to see how well they sustain it".