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Hayek is best known for his book The Road to Serfdom which sounded the alarm on socialism/communism so... no! Hayek won't feel "right at home" in the surveillan

by amasad 8y ago

Hayek is best known for his book The Road to Serfdom which sounded the alarm on socialism/communism so... no! Hayek won't feel "right at home" in the surveillance state of China that's implementing 1984-esque "social score" and other policies that if not Serfdom I don't know what they are.

beat 8y ago
Social scores are bad. Credit scores are good. I'm not exactly clear on the difference, but I'm sure it's very important.
- partiallypro 8y ago
  Because social scores include thing like "thought crime" and can only be improved if you are behind the state...a credit score can be fixed through bankruptcy, and the US is arguably the easiest country to fix your credit score.
  - sp332 8y ago
    Doesn't your credit score take a huge hit for 7 years after bankruptcy?
    - partiallypro 8y ago
      It can be used against your credit score for 10 years but your score can improve over that time frame and even be higher than it was before. I don't see how that's even remotely comparable than punishing thought crime against the ruling party. It creates a permanent political underclass for thinking wrong. I don't deny that there are people stuck in credit traps (usually because they are ignorant of bankruptcy law) but to compare it to a stack ranking of citizens based on their political stances is mindblowingly dumb.
- stale2002 8y ago
  The only thing a credit score is, is a judge on your likelyhood to pay your bills. The social credit score, on the other hand, is a measure of society/government approval. And it effects your ability to get on trains. It seems fair that if you stop paying your bills, then people might not want to loan you money anymore. It does not seem fair that if you criticise the government, or are friends with people who criticize the government, that you won't be allowed to travel anymore.
  - beat 8y ago
    Criticize the government the wrong way in America, you wind up in jail, and aren't allowed to travel anymore. We're talking differences of degree, not kind.
    - amasad 8y ago
      Chomsky has been criticizing government for 60 years and still going. He went to jail maybe once for civil disobedience.
    - stale2002 8y ago
      We do not have any laws in America that do this. If you are talking about how a police officer can just make something up and arrest you, well I guess, but that is something that can happen anywhere in the world. And as bad as the news has been about unaccountable police officers, I can assure you that the US is way ahead of most countries, in terms of things like corruption. If by "criticizeing the wrong way", you meant civil disobedience, well yes that's true. You usually do get arrested if you infringe on other people's property rights. I wouldn't call this bad though, as it has nothing to do with your criticism of the government. Its the infringement on other people's property rights that you are arrested for.
      - beat 8y ago
        I narrowly dodged being arrested simply for being on the street during the 2008 GOP convention. The only reason I wasn't arrested was that they weren't arresting EVERYONE the first day. (I did have to sit for hours, not allowed to leave, next to two people who were just trying to get home to their apartment.) After that, anyone unfortunate enough to be caught on the streets in a kettling zone got arrested, whether or not they were even protesters. A friend's co-worker got arrested when he went outside for a smoke break. Yes, it could be worse, and it is in many other countries. But my point still stands.

by amasad 8y ago

beat 8y ago

Social scores are bad. Credit scores are good. I'm not exactly clear on the difference, but I'm sure it's very important.

partiallypro 8y ago
Because social scores include thing like "thought crime" and can only be improved if you are behind the state...a credit score can be fixed through bankruptcy, and the US is arguably the easiest country to fix your credit score.
- sp332 8y ago
  Doesn't your credit score take a huge hit for 7 years after bankruptcy?
  - partiallypro 8y ago
    It can be used against your credit score for 10 years but your score can improve over that time frame and even be higher than it was before. I don't see how that's even remotely comparable than punishing thought crime against the ruling party. It creates a permanent political underclass for thinking wrong. I don't deny that there are people stuck in credit traps (usually because they are ignorant of bankruptcy law) but to compare it to a stack ranking of citizens based on their political stances is mindblowingly dumb.
stale2002 8y ago
The only thing a credit score is, is a judge on your likelyhood to pay your bills. The social credit score, on the other hand, is a measure of society/government approval. And it effects your ability to get on trains. It seems fair that if you stop paying your bills, then people might not want to loan you money anymore. It does not seem fair that if you criticise the government, or are friends with people who criticize the government, that you won't be allowed to travel anymore.
- beat 8y ago
  Criticize the government the wrong way in America, you wind up in jail, and aren't allowed to travel anymore. We're talking differences of degree, not kind.
  - amasad 8y ago
    Chomsky has been criticizing government for 60 years and still going. He went to jail maybe once for civil disobedience.
  - stale2002 8y ago
    We do not have any laws in America that do this. If you are talking about how a police officer can just make something up and arrest you, well I guess, but that is something that can happen anywhere in the world. And as bad as the news has been about unaccountable police officers, I can assure you that the US is way ahead of most countries, in terms of things like corruption. If by "criticizeing the wrong way", you meant civil disobedience, well yes that's true. You usually do get arrested if you infringe on other people's property rights. I wouldn't call this bad though, as it has nothing to do with your criticism of the government. Its the infringement on other people's property rights that you are arrested for.
    - beat 8y ago
      I narrowly dodged being arrested simply for being on the street during the 2008 GOP convention. The only reason I wasn't arrested was that they weren't arresting EVERYONE the first day. (I did have to sit for hours, not allowed to leave, next to two people who were just trying to get home to their apartment.) After that, anyone unfortunate enough to be caught on the streets in a kettling zone got arrested, whether or not they were even protesters. A friend's co-worker got arrested when he went outside for a smoke break. Yes, it could be worse, and it is in many other countries. But my point still stands.