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People are afraid of being cast out of the community because of the CoC, are they not?

furgooswft13 8y ago
I guess for what they'd consider unjust and bullshity reasons that have nothing to do with the project, yes. Publicised instances such as donglegate, opalgate, drupalgate, Brendan Eich all fit that mold. But really I'm just wondering when you say things like "they did drag us down and ruin things for everybody", who exactly are you talking about? Examples? Every group will have its pariahs but I don't see hacker culture as being "ruined for everyone". Quite the opposite. They do eschew social norms, which I guess is more of a problem since open-source has been taken over by big business with the usual endless need for bureaucracy and PR.
- pseudalopex 8y ago
  In the "dongle" incident, both the men who made the jokes and the woman who tweeted about it were fired. People in the community seem to think it was badly handled all around. Someone on HN recently mentioned that the jokers found new jobs right away but the tweeter didn't. If "Opalgate" means the attempt to remove Elia Schito, it failed. If "Drupalgate" means the removal of Larry Garfield, he insisted on bringing elements of his fetish subculture into technical events. Brendan Eich remained CTO of Mozilla even after his material support for discrimination became widely known. People opposed his promotion to CEO because his actions cast doubt on his ability to represent Mozilla's values and to look out for the interests of LGBT employees. He chose not to distance himself from his past decisions and eventually to resign. According to Mozilla, he declined to stay in another C-level role. He's currently the CEO of another company in the same market.
  - furgooswft13 8y ago
    Thanks for the history lesson. Yea, all seems pretty shitty, whether any incident succeeded or failed, or someone got kicked out or just put in the basement. Interesting that all of these seemingly sprung out of some private action becoming publicly known, rather than the person's behavior on the project/job itself (as for Drupalgate, you claim he brought his fetish into technical events, but nothing I've read about it corroborates that).

I guess for what they'd consider unjust and bullshity reasons that have nothing to do with the project, yes. Publicised instances such as donglegate, opalgate, drupalgate, Brendan Eich all fit that mold. But really I'm just wondering when you say things like "they did drag us down and ruin things for everybody", who exactly are you talking about? Examples? Every group will have its pariahs but I don't see hacker culture as being "ruined for everyone". Quite the opposite. They do eschew social norms, which I guess is more of a problem since open-source has been taken over by big business with the usual endless need for bureaucracy and PR.

pseudalopex 8y ago
In the "dongle" incident, both the men who made the jokes and the woman who tweeted about it were fired. People in the community seem to think it was badly handled all around. Someone on HN recently mentioned that the jokers found new jobs right away but the tweeter didn't. If "Opalgate" means the attempt to remove Elia Schito, it failed. If "Drupalgate" means the removal of Larry Garfield, he insisted on bringing elements of his fetish subculture into technical events. Brendan Eich remained CTO of Mozilla even after his material support for discrimination became widely known. People opposed his promotion to CEO because his actions cast doubt on his ability to represent Mozilla's values and to look out for the interests of LGBT employees. He chose not to distance himself from his past decisions and eventually to resign. According to Mozilla, he declined to stay in another C-level role. He's currently the CEO of another company in the same market.
- furgooswft13 8y ago
  Thanks for the history lesson. Yea, all seems pretty shitty, whether any incident succeeded or failed, or someone got kicked out or just put in the basement. Interesting that all of these seemingly sprung out of some private action becoming publicly known, rather than the person's behavior on the project/job itself (as for Drupalgate, you claim he brought his fetish into technical events, but nothing I've read about it corroborates that).