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I don't really know how is this better than launching a site and using a Paypal gateway integrated into the site. I don't really know how will this solve XSS a

I don't really know how is this better than launching a site and using a Paypal gateway integrated into the site. I don't really know how will this solve XSS and other security problems the web has. What problems are these app stores supposed to fix?

jasonlotito 16y ago
> What problems are these app stores supposed to fix? You've completely missed the point. The feature isn't an app store. It's browser based applications you can download and install on your computer, and run locally. The browser is merely the engine the runs the application. They'll probably remove the chrome, and instead of acting like a browser and a web page, it will merely be the application.
- wesley 16y ago
  So, removal of a toolbar and a quick launch icon is all this is? Woweee if so.. (web apps can already run locally if programmed to do so)
  - jasonlotito 16y ago
    No. You aren't even trying to read, or understand.
- asnyder 16y ago
  It's probably because the point makes no sense. There's no reason to go back to desktop apps, we were moving away from that and making lots of progress and now all of a sudden many are eager to return back to local desktop, but this time running inside a browser, doesn't make any sense at all. We should be moving forward, rather than going backwards.
  - jasonlotito 16y ago
    > It's probably because the point makes no sense. There's no reason to go back to desktop apps Yes, there is. Being able to install a web app locally means several things immediately: 1. Local and remote storage of data beyond what traditional web apps can accomplish. 2. Snappier applications, since everything is stored locally. 3. You'll still be capable of being connected remotely. 4. Ability to use the app even if you aren't connected, or cannot connect remotely. Also, you assert that we were moving away from desktop apps, when the opposite is true. Native apps are still insanely popular thanks to mobile devices. Even on an iOS device, you can run web apps as if they are local applications. It's incredibly useful here as well. Being able to install an application on your phone outside the App Store.
    - boucher 16y ago
      To be fair, very little of what's proposed in this project changes any of those points. You can already store data locally using localStorage APIs. You can already cache application content/scripts/resources locally using HTML Manifest files, which also let you use the application when you aren't connected to the net. And of course, you can always access remote resources when you are (even across domains using the new Cross Domain XHR technology). The crux of what they are proposing is a standard way to actually say "I want this web site to be considered an 'app' that can be installed using whatever your platform wants to consider installing". In other words, a slightly more enhanced, standard version of adding an app to your homescreen on the iPhone.
      - jasonlotito 16y ago
        Local storage is currently limited. On the desktop there will be means for unlimited storage. Manifest files can present more than merely what file to download (such as operating in the background). By setting the apps to a different domain, it gives them room to allow for a different permission set.
        DjDarkman 16y ago
        If it would become unlimited than nothing would stop my web app from filling your hard drive up with crap. So removing this limit maybe not such a good idea. Besides if Mozilla wanted to provide unlimited storage they could just remove the limit from the HTML5 storage, but they won't for the reason I already wrote.
  - BerislavLopac 16y ago
    You're making a crucial mistake of assuming that the Web apps are the forward. Not to mention that you're forgetting that Web apps are not possible without at least one desktop app.
- DjDarkman 16y ago
  What are the problems with current web apps that this tries to address? Let's say I have a web app, how will this make my life easier?
ShabbyDoo 16y ago
Perhaps a standard identity/payment mechanism which reduces the marginal effort required of a user to create an account and agree to pay, say, $1/month would drive sales? Much like it's easy for Apple/Google app store users to make purchases?
- DjDarkman 16y ago
  I don't want no payment standard for that, heck I may not even want anyone to know how many users paid for my service. I may find a service that charges me less than the standard service can offer. Take a look at the Apple App store: 30% for Apple and the Carriers? for what? ain't that a little bit too much? My main point is: mixing financial stuff with technology is simply a dead end.
  - jasonlotito 16y ago
    You've really taken no time to look into this. Your comments are proof. This entire comment is wrong. > I don't want no payment standard for that Then don't use it. You don't have to. > heck I may not even want anyone to know how many users paid for my service. Then don't use it. > I may find a service that charges me less than the standard service can offer. Then use it. Their are other options out there. > Take a look at the Apple App store: 30% for Apple and the Carriers? for what? ain't that a little bit too much? CC processing, distribution, and promotion. And an easy way to install apps. Do you find that too much? Than don't develop native apps for iOS. You can still create web apps, however, and sell them as normal. > My main point is: mixing financial stuff with technology is simply a dead end. They aren't mixing it. You can use the technology without the financial stuff. If that's your main point, then it's baseless.
    - DjDarkman 16y ago
      > You've really taken no time to look into this. I don't really think you know what I did and didn't do. > Your comments are proof. Really? > This entire comment is wrong. Baseless. > Then don't use it. You don't have to. I was pointing out the problems of the app store model. It has nothing to do with what I have and don't have to do. I was demonstrating something, so replying "Then don't use it" is superfluous. > CC processing, distribution, and promotion. And an easy way to install apps. Do you find that too much? How much do they cost? do they add up to the 30% of the price I would charge? :) > They aren't mixing it. You can use the technology without the financial stuff. If that's your main point, then it's baseless. Next time read the comment I am replying to and don't take my words out of context. Thank you.

jasonlotito 16y ago

> What problems are these app stores supposed to fix? You've completely missed the point. The feature isn't an app store. It's browser based applications you can download and install on your computer, and run locally. The browser is merely the engine the runs the application. They'll probably remove the chrome, and instead of acting like a browser and a web page, it will merely be the application.

wesley 16y ago
So, removal of a toolbar and a quick launch icon is all this is? Woweee if so.. (web apps can already run locally if programmed to do so)
- jasonlotito 16y ago
  No. You aren't even trying to read, or understand.
asnyder 16y ago
It's probably because the point makes no sense. There's no reason to go back to desktop apps, we were moving away from that and making lots of progress and now all of a sudden many are eager to return back to local desktop, but this time running inside a browser, doesn't make any sense at all. We should be moving forward, rather than going backwards.
- jasonlotito 16y ago
  > It's probably because the point makes no sense. There's no reason to go back to desktop apps Yes, there is. Being able to install a web app locally means several things immediately: 1. Local and remote storage of data beyond what traditional web apps can accomplish. 2. Snappier applications, since everything is stored locally. 3. You'll still be capable of being connected remotely. 4. Ability to use the app even if you aren't connected, or cannot connect remotely. Also, you assert that we were moving away from desktop apps, when the opposite is true. Native apps are still insanely popular thanks to mobile devices. Even on an iOS device, you can run web apps as if they are local applications. It's incredibly useful here as well. Being able to install an application on your phone outside the App Store.
  - boucher 16y ago
    To be fair, very little of what's proposed in this project changes any of those points. You can already store data locally using localStorage APIs. You can already cache application content/scripts/resources locally using HTML Manifest files, which also let you use the application when you aren't connected to the net. And of course, you can always access remote resources when you are (even across domains using the new Cross Domain XHR technology). The crux of what they are proposing is a standard way to actually say "I want this web site to be considered an 'app' that can be installed using whatever your platform wants to consider installing". In other words, a slightly more enhanced, standard version of adding an app to your homescreen on the iPhone.
    - jasonlotito 16y ago
      Local storage is currently limited. On the desktop there will be means for unlimited storage. Manifest files can present more than merely what file to download (such as operating in the background). By setting the apps to a different domain, it gives them room to allow for a different permission set.
      - DjDarkman 16y ago
        If it would become unlimited than nothing would stop my web app from filling your hard drive up with crap. So removing this limit maybe not such a good idea. Besides if Mozilla wanted to provide unlimited storage they could just remove the limit from the HTML5 storage, but they won't for the reason I already wrote.
- BerislavLopac 16y ago
  You're making a crucial mistake of assuming that the Web apps are the forward. Not to mention that you're forgetting that Web apps are not possible without at least one desktop app.
DjDarkman 16y ago
What are the problems with current web apps that this tries to address? Let's say I have a web app, how will this make my life easier?

ShabbyDoo 16y ago

Perhaps a standard identity/payment mechanism which reduces the marginal effort required of a user to create an account and agree to pay, say, $1/month would drive sales? Much like it's easy for Apple/Google app store users to make purchases?

DjDarkman 16y ago
I don't want no payment standard for that, heck I may not even want anyone to know how many users paid for my service. I may find a service that charges me less than the standard service can offer. Take a look at the Apple App store: 30% for Apple and the Carriers? for what? ain't that a little bit too much? My main point is: mixing financial stuff with technology is simply a dead end.
- jasonlotito 16y ago
  You've really taken no time to look into this. Your comments are proof. This entire comment is wrong. > I don't want no payment standard for that Then don't use it. You don't have to. > heck I may not even want anyone to know how many users paid for my service. Then don't use it. > I may find a service that charges me less than the standard service can offer. Then use it. Their are other options out there. > Take a look at the Apple App store: 30% for Apple and the Carriers? for what? ain't that a little bit too much? CC processing, distribution, and promotion. And an easy way to install apps. Do you find that too much? Than don't develop native apps for iOS. You can still create web apps, however, and sell them as normal. > My main point is: mixing financial stuff with technology is simply a dead end. They aren't mixing it. You can use the technology without the financial stuff. If that's your main point, then it's baseless.
  - DjDarkman 16y ago
    > You've really taken no time to look into this. I don't really think you know what I did and didn't do. > Your comments are proof. Really? > This entire comment is wrong. Baseless. > Then don't use it. You don't have to. I was pointing out the problems of the app store model. It has nothing to do with what I have and don't have to do. I was demonstrating something, so replying "Then don't use it" is superfluous. > CC processing, distribution, and promotion. And an easy way to install apps. Do you find that too much? How much do they cost? do they add up to the 30% of the price I would charge? :) > They aren't mixing it. You can use the technology without the financial stuff. If that's your main point, then it's baseless. Next time read the comment I am replying to and don't take my words out of context. Thank you.