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Is that your opinion, or are you citing a developmental theory? Personality invariants are a thing. e.g [0] If you can elaborate on your point of view I'd be h

by rusk 8y ago

Is that your opinion, or are you citing a developmental theory? Personality invariants are a thing. e.g [0] If you can elaborate on your point of view I'd be happy to further explain what I mean here. [0] https://www.jstor.org/stable/87360?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents https://www.jstor.org/stable/87360?seq=1#page_scan_tab_conte...

rusk 8y ago
In my opinion, I think you may be over-generalising the observer-effect. There are many many many many twin-studies that demonstrate the limited effects of social conditioning.
boomboomsubban 8y ago
My point is that social conditioning begins the moment you have interactions with the child, and if you notice a behavior you expect a similar behavior. I can't see how that would be disputed, though the importance of any one aspect is still unclear.
- rusk 8y ago
  > though the importance of any one aspect There's a lot more certainty about the relative weight of these factors than you might expect. Pick up any beginners developmental psychology textbook and see for yourself. Unless you're actually trying to debunk the whole field in which case you'll need more than just a glib remark.
  - boomboomsubban 8y ago
    The field hardly has consensus on the issue. It is one if the areas where twin studies are a primary form of research. Ignoring any potential issues being raised about twin studies, personality traits seem to have a medium heratibility. Which makes it difficult to determine what personality traits are genetic in the best situations, and a parent's anecdotal opinion is far from the best situation.
    - rusk 8y ago
      As I say, it has a far greater consensus than what you said.
      - boomboomsubban 8y ago
        All you've said is that I'm wrong, and linked a 1939 Anthropology paper detailing an experiment testing if certain people talk more. No scientist worth a damn watch a very young baby for a few hours and determine that their genetics mean they will have some personality trait. At best, genetics provide a range of how strong a personality trait is, with environment and chance both influencing things too.
        rusk 8y ago
        Ah you're only a grumpy contrarian. You've supplied nothing but spite to this discussion. Go back under your rock.

by rusk 8y ago

rusk 8y ago

In my opinion, I think you may be over-generalising the observer-effect. There are many many many many twin-studies that demonstrate the limited effects of social conditioning.

boomboomsubban 8y ago

My point is that social conditioning begins the moment you have interactions with the child, and if you notice a behavior you expect a similar behavior. I can't see how that would be disputed, though the importance of any one aspect is still unclear.

rusk 8y ago
> though the importance of any one aspect There's a lot more certainty about the relative weight of these factors than you might expect. Pick up any beginners developmental psychology textbook and see for yourself. Unless you're actually trying to debunk the whole field in which case you'll need more than just a glib remark.
- boomboomsubban 8y ago
  The field hardly has consensus on the issue. It is one if the areas where twin studies are a primary form of research. Ignoring any potential issues being raised about twin studies, personality traits seem to have a medium heratibility. Which makes it difficult to determine what personality traits are genetic in the best situations, and a parent's anecdotal opinion is far from the best situation.
  - rusk 8y ago
    As I say, it has a far greater consensus than what you said.
    - boomboomsubban 8y ago
      All you've said is that I'm wrong, and linked a 1939 Anthropology paper detailing an experiment testing if certain people talk more. No scientist worth a damn watch a very young baby for a few hours and determine that their genetics mean they will have some personality trait. At best, genetics provide a range of how strong a personality trait is, with environment and chance both influencing things too.
      - rusk 8y ago
        Ah you're only a grumpy contrarian. You've supplied nothing but spite to this discussion. Go back under your rock.