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Anyone else get a chuckle that out of the myriad of relevant quotes, the author selected, "He... once [described] an Intel fix as 'complete and utter garbage'".

Anyone else get a chuckle that out of the myriad of relevant quotes, the author selected, "He... once [described] an Intel fix as 'complete and utter garbage'". Good for Linus, I'm happy that he's not looking to adjust his technical expectations: "technically wrong is still technically wrong, and I won't start accepting bad code just to make people feel better about themselves."

mcguire 8y ago
They could have taken a quote from 2012: ""...should be retroactively aborted. Who the f+ck does idiotic things like that? How did they not die as babies, considering that they were likely too stupid to find a tit to suck on?""
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- kyberias 8y ago
  That is just super funny. It always will be.
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  - mcguire 8y ago
    It is, absolutely. If you view software development as entertainment. If you view it asa profession, maybe not.
    - kyberias 8y ago
      Not true. The fact that professional software developer sometimes uses profane language does not mean it is not funny. I think Linus was actually trying to be funny with those statements. Some of us understand that humor, some of us don't.
      - kthejoker2 8y ago
        I understand the humor, I just don't appreciate or see the value of "being funny" in a personally insulting way to a code commit.
- lostmyoldone 8y ago
  I always read Linus as a Finn speaking English as Finnish is spoken in the company of good friends, profanity will be used, often quite liberally, and if anything, the Swedish speaking minority he harkens from swear even more. Only outdone by the good people of Åland, to which swearing seems to be a form of art, or how they breathe. I believe it's well known that people tend to curse more in a second language, applying that theory to some Finns is going to lead to a very colorful and explicit language. Personally I barely swear, I find it somewhat pointless. However I have never really been bothered in the least of what he writes. I'm wondering if it is because English is a second language to me? Maybe because I have at least a cursory knowledge of Finn culture, or even because it felt so blindingly obvious to me that regardless of the superficial content of the profanities, they were rarely ( if ever ) a statement of value regarding people, only their contribution. I really don't know, but it is interesting because I think I would have reacted quite strongly to most people saying what you quoted above! Language and communication, it's perplexingly complicated.
  - mcguire 8y ago
    So you don't see a difference between: * This code is idiotic. * You are an idiot. * You should be dead.
sonnyblarney 8y ago
There's nothing wrong with saying something is crap, if it is actually that, and if there isn't really an individual on the other side. Generally, it's probably not a good idea to use such language with an individual. But if it's 'not good' - you can say that. But finally there's no reason to demean individuals arbitrarily. This discussion is wayward: it's not about groups, minorities or being PC ... it's really just about being 'honest' vs. 'being sensitive'. Some people perceive some honest remarks as insensitive, while others perceive 'politically sensitive' remarks as dishonest, and therefore a little offensive. Personally I'm in the 'candid' camp, but I don't mind people who are a little indirect with the intention of being nice. This has nothing to do with arbitrary douchebaggery - there's never any reason for that. Ok - maybe you scan scream at a big, faceless corporation now and again, but not individuals. I think there's too much intellectualize of this subject and so many are missing the point. You can be candid or sensitive, that should be your choice. But you can't be an arbitrary jerk. If Linus wants to be candid at the cost of not being well received, then fine. But he shouldn't be attacking people.
- ravenstine 8y ago
  > But you can't be an arbitrary jerk. Why not? Who invented that rule?
  - SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
    Fair point. As to the topic, I don't think it's ever been a mystery to Torvalds why people might not like him. Doesn't really change anything about the product. Not to compare him to anyone else, but who really thinks that talented artisans throughout history were great people to be around?
vesak 8y ago
>Good for Linus, I'm happy that he's not looking to adjust his technical expectations: Did anyone seriously, with good faith and without political goals, believe that that was going to happen?
- davidkuhta 8y ago
  Stranger things have happened. I've personally found an increase in instances in which I think, "The likelihood of X is so low," and then bam! X occurs.
s73v3r_ 8y ago
Nobody, anywhere, for any of these projects, has ever suggested that bad code be accepted just to make someone feel better. That has always been an excuse used by the anti-CoC people, and has always been without merit.

mcguire 8y ago

They could have taken a quote from 2012: ""...should be retroactively aborted. Who the f+ck does idiotic things like that? How did they not die as babies, considering that they were likely too stupid to find a tit to suck on?""

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kyberias 8y ago
That is just super funny. It always will be.
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- mcguire 8y ago
  It is, absolutely. If you view software development as entertainment. If you view it asa profession, maybe not.
  - kyberias 8y ago
    Not true. The fact that professional software developer sometimes uses profane language does not mean it is not funny. I think Linus was actually trying to be funny with those statements. Some of us understand that humor, some of us don't.
    - kthejoker2 8y ago
      I understand the humor, I just don't appreciate or see the value of "being funny" in a personally insulting way to a code commit.
lostmyoldone 8y ago
I always read Linus as a Finn speaking English as Finnish is spoken in the company of good friends, profanity will be used, often quite liberally, and if anything, the Swedish speaking minority he harkens from swear even more. Only outdone by the good people of Åland, to which swearing seems to be a form of art, or how they breathe. I believe it's well known that people tend to curse more in a second language, applying that theory to some Finns is going to lead to a very colorful and explicit language. Personally I barely swear, I find it somewhat pointless. However I have never really been bothered in the least of what he writes. I'm wondering if it is because English is a second language to me? Maybe because I have at least a cursory knowledge of Finn culture, or even because it felt so blindingly obvious to me that regardless of the superficial content of the profanities, they were rarely ( if ever ) a statement of value regarding people, only their contribution. I really don't know, but it is interesting because I think I would have reacted quite strongly to most people saying what you quoted above! Language and communication, it's perplexingly complicated.
- mcguire 8y ago
  So you don't see a difference between: * This code is idiotic. * You are an idiot. * You should be dead.

sonnyblarney 8y ago

There's nothing wrong with saying something is crap, if it is actually that, and if there isn't really an individual on the other side. Generally, it's probably not a good idea to use such language with an individual. But if it's 'not good' - you can say that. But finally there's no reason to demean individuals arbitrarily. This discussion is wayward: it's not about groups, minorities or being PC ... it's really just about being 'honest' vs. 'being sensitive'. Some people perceive some honest remarks as insensitive, while others perceive 'politically sensitive' remarks as dishonest, and therefore a little offensive. Personally I'm in the 'candid' camp, but I don't mind people who are a little indirect with the intention of being nice. This has nothing to do with arbitrary douchebaggery - there's never any reason for that. Ok - maybe you scan scream at a big, faceless corporation now and again, but not individuals. I think there's too much intellectualize of this subject and so many are missing the point. You can be candid or sensitive, that should be your choice. But you can't be an arbitrary jerk. If Linus wants to be candid at the cost of not being well received, then fine. But he shouldn't be attacking people.

ravenstine 8y ago
> But you can't be an arbitrary jerk. Why not? Who invented that rule?
- SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
  Fair point. As to the topic, I don't think it's ever been a mystery to Torvalds why people might not like him. Doesn't really change anything about the product. Not to compare him to anyone else, but who really thinks that talented artisans throughout history were great people to be around?

vesak 8y ago

>Good for Linus, I'm happy that he's not looking to adjust his technical expectations: Did anyone seriously, with good faith and without political goals, believe that that was going to happen?

davidkuhta 8y ago
Stranger things have happened. I've personally found an increase in instances in which I think, "The likelihood of X is so low," and then bam! X occurs.

s73v3r_ 8y ago

Nobody, anywhere, for any of these projects, has ever suggested that bad code be accepted just to make someone feel better. That has always been an excuse used by the anti-CoC people, and has always been without merit.