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Can you state a single example of a Delphy/Common Lisp/C/C++/C# user who has been sued for developing software with those languages?

pjmlp 8y ago
Anyone that used pirate versions to sell software and was caught doing it by the national agencies like BSA in UK.
- scarface74 8y ago
  How do you “pirate” .Net?
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    By pirating Visual Studio before .NET went open source. Express versions were only allowed for education purposes, and only started to be available around Visual Studio 2008. The original .NET SDK was a bare bones command line SDK without any of the tooling that actually makes development in .NET actually worthwhile.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      The original link is dead, but the following post quotes from it. https://forums.asp.net/t/1204510.aspx?visual+studio+express+and+business+use https://forums.asp.net/t/1204510.aspx?visual+studio+express+... Can I use Express Editions for commercial use? Yes, there are no licensing restrictions for applications built using Visual Studio Express Editions.
      - pjmlp 8y ago
        Express version did not support Visual Studio plugins.
        scarface74 8y ago
        Which video studio plugins did you need to do development? We couldn’t use it in 2008 because we needed to use the Windows Mobile emulator.
        pjmlp 8y ago
        DirectX debugging, IIS integration, SharePoint, architecture modelling tools, database management.
        scarface74 8y ago
        IIS integration - you publish your website to IIS Database management - sql server management studio has always been a free tool. Architecture modeling tools - not required for development. Directs debugging - how many enterprise developers are doing anything with DirectX? Share point - you couldn’t pay me enough to do Sharepoint development. That’s not exactly a popular use case these days.
        manigandham 8y ago
        ...so? You can still build applications with it. Obviously functionality will be limited but plugins are not required to get things done.
- seanhunter 8y ago
  In what sense do you mean a pirate version of C or C++? The languages are not subject to a license and therefore cannot be pirated. The ISO/ANSI standard is a copyrighted document, but that doesn't mean the language is copyright. There are proprietary runtimes and toolchains and if you're using a proprietary toolchain or runtime without a license then you are indeed violating copyright in exactly the same way as anyone doing this with any other sort of software. That's not what we're talking about Oracle doing here to users of Java.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    First of all, yes the languages have a ISO copyright, that you are supposed to pay for if you want to get ISO document, even in PDF. Any compiler writer that wants to write a conformant implementation needs to buy the ISO document, otherwise there is no guarantee that the compiler is actually ISO compliant. Additionally most compiler vendors that care about ISO certification need to pay extra to companies that sell ISO validation suits like Dinkumware.
    - betaby 8y ago
      Drafts and pre-standards are often free. http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1548.pdf http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1548.pdf for example. This technically it's possible to implement standard compliant implementation without paying.
      - pjmlp 8y ago
        In theory yes, in practice there are zero guarantees that the draft and ratified standard are word per word equal.
        geezerjay 8y ago
        So, where are your examples? Do you actually have concrete example of any case remotely similar to Oracle's persecution of Java users? Or will you keep inventing outlandish and unrealistic hypothetical scenarios without any basis on reality?

pjmlp 8y ago

Anyone that used pirate versions to sell software and was caught doing it by the national agencies like BSA in UK.

scarface74 8y ago
How do you “pirate” .Net?
- pjmlp 8y ago
  By pirating Visual Studio before .NET went open source. Express versions were only allowed for education purposes, and only started to be available around Visual Studio 2008. The original .NET SDK was a bare bones command line SDK without any of the tooling that actually makes development in .NET actually worthwhile.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    The original link is dead, but the following post quotes from it. https://forums.asp.net/t/1204510.aspx?visual+studio+express+and+business+use https://forums.asp.net/t/1204510.aspx?visual+studio+express+... Can I use Express Editions for commercial use? Yes, there are no licensing restrictions for applications built using Visual Studio Express Editions.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      Express version did not support Visual Studio plugins.
      - scarface74 8y ago
        Which video studio plugins did you need to do development? We couldn’t use it in 2008 because we needed to use the Windows Mobile emulator.
        pjmlp 8y ago
        DirectX debugging, IIS integration, SharePoint, architecture modelling tools, database management.
        scarface74 8y ago
        IIS integration - you publish your website to IIS Database management - sql server management studio has always been a free tool. Architecture modeling tools - not required for development. Directs debugging - how many enterprise developers are doing anything with DirectX? Share point - you couldn’t pay me enough to do Sharepoint development. That’s not exactly a popular use case these days.
      - manigandham 8y ago
        ...so? You can still build applications with it. Obviously functionality will be limited but plugins are not required to get things done.
seanhunter 8y ago
In what sense do you mean a pirate version of C or C++? The languages are not subject to a license and therefore cannot be pirated. The ISO/ANSI standard is a copyrighted document, but that doesn't mean the language is copyright. There are proprietary runtimes and toolchains and if you're using a proprietary toolchain or runtime without a license then you are indeed violating copyright in exactly the same way as anyone doing this with any other sort of software. That's not what we're talking about Oracle doing here to users of Java.
- pjmlp 8y ago
  First of all, yes the languages have a ISO copyright, that you are supposed to pay for if you want to get ISO document, even in PDF. Any compiler writer that wants to write a conformant implementation needs to buy the ISO document, otherwise there is no guarantee that the compiler is actually ISO compliant. Additionally most compiler vendors that care about ISO certification need to pay extra to companies that sell ISO validation suits like Dinkumware.
  - betaby 8y ago
    Drafts and pre-standards are often free. http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1548.pdf http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1548.pdf for example. This technically it's possible to implement standard compliant implementation without paying.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      In theory yes, in practice there are zero guarantees that the draft and ratified standard are word per word equal.
      - geezerjay 8y ago
        So, where are your examples? Do you actually have concrete example of any case remotely similar to Oracle's persecution of Java users? Or will you keep inventing outlandish and unrealistic hypothetical scenarios without any basis on reality?