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I disagree. I've been keeping a journal for more than 10 years (started when I was 14 and am 25 now), where I report important events and more importantly refle

I disagree. I've been keeping a journal for more than 10 years (started when I was 14 and am 25 now), where I report important events and more importantly reflect on them, and also on general concepts. Reading old entries can be very enlightening. What comes out of it is that events are the "data", while personality/identity is the "software". The data is various, but the software is the same. The consistency of reasoning between now and then is incredible. When I read the setup of an old recounting, I start reacting to it while reading it from the point of view of my now-self, and then I see that the reflection of my old-self on this event to be very consistent with that. It's naive, uninformed and a bit rebellious (probably because of teenagehood), and sometimes because of that it completely misses the point, but the direction of reflection is the same. It's not alien, it makes sense. We're reacting to events by using our software on related data. The value of experience entirely lies in the data, which can sometimes create entire shifts in perspective, but the software is the same. If you read an old journal you'll see that most reactions are the same, and for those which differ you can point out exactly what piece of data was missing in comparison to today's perspective.

donmatito 8y ago
Your case is somewhat particular (and is a very good thing to do). Because you have a log of past events, your memory processes can match against a reference and filter out deviations. Most people don't have such an external log/reference. Memories cannot be externally validated, only internally validated against other memories. So, small deviations can accumulate, and overtime create entirely false narratives (esp around uncomfortable or even traumatic events) You make me want to start a diary :-)
comboy 8y ago
Our software wouldn't be very interesting if it wouldn't be able to at least partially modify itself. But that's a very interesting experiment you are running. I wonder if you will still hold the same conclusion after next 20 years. Although, you can always say that the data is being interpreted by the software and effectively say that the source code changes but the interpreter stays the same.
rusk 8y ago
I think it's more like a Moore state-machine, coupled with some invariant functions. The events come in, and they alter the internal state somewhat thereby altering future outputs elicited by similar events, but the invariant functions mean that certain things will never change over time. Of course, as with any real-world system at operational limits unpredictable behaviour can emerge.
naasking 8y ago
> The data is various, but the software is the same. The consistency of reasoning between now and then is incredible. Don't underestimate the environmental factor that your journal provides. Perhaps you're most consistent than most because you can and have read your prior journal entries, and this preserves the consistency of your reasoning over time. Kind of like studying: it's well known that more frequent review of material dramatically improves retention.
- mkane848 8y ago
  I agree, I've actually made a point to not read older entries before I write anything new in mine and wait until afterwards or an entirely different time specifically for reading it and not writing because I've noticed this effect in myself.
nabla9 8y ago
Things you write down into your journal have already been under psychological screening mechanism described in the article. You don't write down things that don't seem relevant to you or things you don't remember when writing it down. You are creating personal narrative and documenting it. Another screening happens when you are reading your own journal. We are not objective readers and we add and remove things into what we read.
scarecrowbob 8y ago
I wonder if you'll change your view on this as you age. I'm 40. I've been through 2 divorces and 3 full-on professional careers (academics, music, and programming). I have a 17-year-old son. Although I can probably think out the evolution of my "software", it's really hard to think of my current releases as having a whole lot of backwards compatibility with that 0.0.1 version. If I had to give it a number, I'd say I'm somewhere around release 6.4.3. :D Personally (and this is just my conclusions, not one I expect other folks to come to), my views and strategies for working with the world are so removed from 25-year-old me that I have little problem saying that I am almost not the same person. Certainly, my "software" has so many revisions to essential functionality that it's hardly recognizable as the same collection of code: there is very little overlap between how I reasoned about things when I was 25 and now, and I feel like that's not just a matter of "data" aggregation. My conclusions is that the software isn't, in fact, the same. I feel like it's more that I've fundamentally revised the software on a number of levels to the point where there are so many essential differences the identity isn't even consistent.
- Phenomenit 8y ago
  I agree but for me the business logic is the same. It's trying to solve the same problems. I want the same things I always wanted and I'm not talking about money or material or social status and relationships. I still want the same specific skills and experiences that did I when I was a kid but outlook is totally different.

donmatito 8y ago

Your case is somewhat particular (and is a very good thing to do). Because you have a log of past events, your memory processes can match against a reference and filter out deviations. Most people don't have such an external log/reference. Memories cannot be externally validated, only internally validated against other memories. So, small deviations can accumulate, and overtime create entirely false narratives (esp around uncomfortable or even traumatic events) You make me want to start a diary :-)

comboy 8y ago

Our software wouldn't be very interesting if it wouldn't be able to at least partially modify itself. But that's a very interesting experiment you are running. I wonder if you will still hold the same conclusion after next 20 years. Although, you can always say that the data is being interpreted by the software and effectively say that the source code changes but the interpreter stays the same.

rusk 8y ago

I think it's more like a Moore state-machine, coupled with some invariant functions. The events come in, and they alter the internal state somewhat thereby altering future outputs elicited by similar events, but the invariant functions mean that certain things will never change over time. Of course, as with any real-world system at operational limits unpredictable behaviour can emerge.

naasking 8y ago

> The data is various, but the software is the same. The consistency of reasoning between now and then is incredible. Don't underestimate the environmental factor that your journal provides. Perhaps you're most consistent than most because you can and have read your prior journal entries, and this preserves the consistency of your reasoning over time. Kind of like studying: it's well known that more frequent review of material dramatically improves retention.

mkane848 8y ago
I agree, I've actually made a point to not read older entries before I write anything new in mine and wait until afterwards or an entirely different time specifically for reading it and not writing because I've noticed this effect in myself.

nabla9 8y ago

Things you write down into your journal have already been under psychological screening mechanism described in the article. You don't write down things that don't seem relevant to you or things you don't remember when writing it down. You are creating personal narrative and documenting it. Another screening happens when you are reading your own journal. We are not objective readers and we add and remove things into what we read.

scarecrowbob 8y ago

I wonder if you'll change your view on this as you age. I'm 40. I've been through 2 divorces and 3 full-on professional careers (academics, music, and programming). I have a 17-year-old son. Although I can probably think out the evolution of my "software", it's really hard to think of my current releases as having a whole lot of backwards compatibility with that 0.0.1 version. If I had to give it a number, I'd say I'm somewhere around release 6.4.3. :D Personally (and this is just my conclusions, not one I expect other folks to come to), my views and strategies for working with the world are so removed from 25-year-old me that I have little problem saying that I am almost not the same person. Certainly, my "software" has so many revisions to essential functionality that it's hardly recognizable as the same collection of code: there is very little overlap between how I reasoned about things when I was 25 and now, and I feel like that's not just a matter of "data" aggregation. My conclusions is that the software isn't, in fact, the same. I feel like it's more that I've fundamentally revised the software on a number of levels to the point where there are so many essential differences the identity isn't even consistent.

Phenomenit 8y ago
I agree but for me the business logic is the same. It's trying to solve the same problems. I want the same things I always wanted and I'm not talking about money or material or social status and relationships. I still want the same specific skills and experiences that did I when I was a kid but outlook is totally different.