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I sincerely can't imagine what more you could want from a corporate steward. A different business model than suing their customers?

threeseed 8y ago
They are only suing customers who refuse to pay licensing fees or remove offending software. Don't forget many of their customers are pretty dodgy/incompetent also.
- CaptainZapp 8y ago
  They are only suing customers who refuse to pay licensing fees or remove offending software https://www.businessinsider.com/oracles-cloud-sales-2015-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/oracles-cloud-sales-2015-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-customer-explains-audit-threats-2015-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-customer-explains-aud... Enterprise licensing is extremely complex. Add to that that vendors often play hardball with customers. If I, as a vendor, want to find you in breach of the licensing agreement. I will. Source: I worked for a database vendor and was stunned about the dirty tricks pulled in enterprise software sales.
- geezerjay 8y ago
  > They are only suing customers who refuse to pay licensing fees or remove offending software. That's the point: they are suing users because they demand those users pay licensing fees. What other programming language and/or software stack comes with that risk?
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    Delphi, Common Lisp, C, C++, .NET, Smalltalk, SQL Server, Informix, DB 2, Informix, Rational, WebSphere, IBM i, IBM z, ClearPath, Aix, HP-UX,INTEGRITY OS,..... Basically any software stack sold with a commercial license.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      You’ve never had to pay a “licensing fee” to use .Net.
      - pjmlp 8y ago
        So you were pirating Visual Studio?
        scarface74 8y ago
        You’ve been able to download msbuild for free for at least 10 years that I’ve been using it. You don’t install Visual Studio on your build server. But, until .Net Core, .Net was considered a part of Windows. There was no separate license. As far as the support lifecycle, you get three years of support for the LTS releases of .Net Core and you don’t pay MS for it. https://www.microsoft.com/net/platform/support-policy https://www.microsoft.com/net/platform/support-policy For .Net Framework, it’s tied to the support lifecycle of the version of Windows it was introduced with.
        pjmlp 8y ago
        > You don’t install Visual Studio on your build server. Ah, you never used Enterprise frameworks with VS plugins it seems. The joy of building Sharepoint plugins .NET applications are for the customers, not for running on our computers. Before it went open source we surely needed Studio to do any kind of meaningful development and respective production deployments.
        scarface74 8y ago
        And you didn’t have to pay continuing license fees for use or support. I worked for two companies that used Visual 2008 for years after newer versions came out because we had to support ruggedized Windows Mobile devices and that was the last version that supported it. They just ended support for VS 2008 in April of this year. https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2017/04/10/end-of-support-for-visual-studio-2008-in-one-year/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2017/04/10/end...
- hannasanarion 8y ago
  They demand their customers pay licencing fees to licenses they don't own, like the Java language itself which is not subject to copyright under US law. The suit against Google was filed within a month of the Sun acquisition, it was part of their reasoning for buying Sun in the first place: so that they can sue Java users and get tons of money for nothing.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    Sun would have tried to squash Google just as they did before with Microsoft, but they were out of cash, sadly as we could have gotten a proper JavaSE mobile platform instead of the craziness of Android development and incompatibilities with OpenJDK. Gosling interview on "Oracle vs Google". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYw3X4RZv6Y&feature=youtu.be&t=57m42s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYw3X4RZv6Y&feature=youtu.be...
tonetheman 8y ago
There are not enough upvotes for this comment in the world. Oracle is cesspool.

threeseed 8y ago

They are only suing customers who refuse to pay licensing fees or remove offending software. Don't forget many of their customers are pretty dodgy/incompetent also.

CaptainZapp 8y ago
They are only suing customers who refuse to pay licensing fees or remove offending software https://www.businessinsider.com/oracles-cloud-sales-2015-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/oracles-cloud-sales-2015-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-customer-explains-audit-threats-2015-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-customer-explains-aud... Enterprise licensing is extremely complex. Add to that that vendors often play hardball with customers. If I, as a vendor, want to find you in breach of the licensing agreement. I will. Source: I worked for a database vendor and was stunned about the dirty tricks pulled in enterprise software sales.
geezerjay 8y ago
> They are only suing customers who refuse to pay licensing fees or remove offending software. That's the point: they are suing users because they demand those users pay licensing fees. What other programming language and/or software stack comes with that risk?
- pjmlp 8y ago
  Delphi, Common Lisp, C, C++, .NET, Smalltalk, SQL Server, Informix, DB 2, Informix, Rational, WebSphere, IBM i, IBM z, ClearPath, Aix, HP-UX,INTEGRITY OS,..... Basically any software stack sold with a commercial license.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    You’ve never had to pay a “licensing fee” to use .Net.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      So you were pirating Visual Studio?
      - scarface74 8y ago
        You’ve been able to download msbuild for free for at least 10 years that I’ve been using it. You don’t install Visual Studio on your build server. But, until .Net Core, .Net was considered a part of Windows. There was no separate license. As far as the support lifecycle, you get three years of support for the LTS releases of .Net Core and you don’t pay MS for it. https://www.microsoft.com/net/platform/support-policy https://www.microsoft.com/net/platform/support-policy For .Net Framework, it’s tied to the support lifecycle of the version of Windows it was introduced with.
        pjmlp 8y ago
        > You don’t install Visual Studio on your build server. Ah, you never used Enterprise frameworks with VS plugins it seems. The joy of building Sharepoint plugins .NET applications are for the customers, not for running on our computers. Before it went open source we surely needed Studio to do any kind of meaningful development and respective production deployments.
        scarface74 8y ago
        And you didn’t have to pay continuing license fees for use or support. I worked for two companies that used Visual 2008 for years after newer versions came out because we had to support ruggedized Windows Mobile devices and that was the last version that supported it. They just ended support for VS 2008 in April of this year. https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2017/04/10/end-of-support-for-visual-studio-2008-in-one-year/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2017/04/10/end...
hannasanarion 8y ago
They demand their customers pay licencing fees to licenses they don't own, like the Java language itself which is not subject to copyright under US law. The suit against Google was filed within a month of the Sun acquisition, it was part of their reasoning for buying Sun in the first place: so that they can sue Java users and get tons of money for nothing.
- pjmlp 8y ago
  Sun would have tried to squash Google just as they did before with Microsoft, but they were out of cash, sadly as we could have gotten a proper JavaSE mobile platform instead of the craziness of Android development and incompatibilities with OpenJDK. Gosling interview on "Oracle vs Google". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYw3X4RZv6Y&feature=youtu.be&t=57m42s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYw3X4RZv6Y&feature=youtu.be...

tonetheman 8y ago

There are not enough upvotes for this comment in the world. Oracle is cesspool.