> in many places it goes like this: you're very much treated like a cog, managers -- and "project managers" especially -- won't have any real understanding of w

> in many places it goes like this: you're very much treated like a cog, managers -- and "project managers" especially -- won't have any real understanding of what engineers do, there is disorganization, lack of planning, and/or engineers have never been challenged to grow, and over time you end up dealing with lots of tirefires. You'll hear the same complaints from finance people.