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I think ThinkPads are renown for the earlier products (eg T410 or the x200 series). Much like the Dell D630 used to be a Linux favourite. The BIOS sleep state

I think ThinkPads are renown for the earlier products (eg T410 or the x200 series). Much like the Dell D630 used to be a Linux favourite. The BIOS sleep state issue seems common with modern Lenovos though (my 2nd Gen Helix is also a mess), which is a real shame because the hardware is great.

jimnotgym 8y ago
Which is why I still use my T410 with Kubuntu as my home PC
dfox 8y ago
It is funny how the definition of what is "the last true ThinkPad" shifts with time.
- berbec 8y ago
  Used to be the E series. The the T60p. Then the x260. Soon The X1 Carbon Extreme will be the last jedi
  - dfox 8y ago
    It used to be "anything before letter-series", then T42, then X41, then T60, then X200... In essence the main thing that tends to shift is what is the "defining feature" of thinkpad. For T42 an X41 it was keyboard without windows keys and with textured trackpoint buttons, then it was 5-row keyboard and so on... Another point in regards to this is that at least for me the really good ThinkPads started with the letter series, which is also the time when IBM started to outsource both design and manufacture. And the difference is plainly visible with traditional IBM's overengineering (eg. 600E, which is supposed to be low-cost model, is pain to disassemble and contains two handfuls of various weird and wonderful machined aluminium brackets, mainframe-style) being replaced with design that meaningfully balances cost, reliability and serviceability.
- YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago
  Well, they keep making new ones ...
- Retr0spectrum 8y ago
  My definition will always be "The most recent one that supports coreboot".
- archi42 8y ago
  That's probably true. I admit the first time I got in contact with ThinkPads was around 2006; so whatever was affordable for students back then might have stuck (tbh, I never had a TP until a year ago; and the Helix something entirely different).

jimnotgym 8y ago

Which is why I still use my T410 with Kubuntu as my home PC

dfox 8y ago

It is funny how the definition of what is "the last true ThinkPad" shifts with time.

berbec 8y ago
Used to be the E series. The the T60p. Then the x260. Soon The X1 Carbon Extreme will be the last jedi
- dfox 8y ago
  It used to be "anything before letter-series", then T42, then X41, then T60, then X200... In essence the main thing that tends to shift is what is the "defining feature" of thinkpad. For T42 an X41 it was keyboard without windows keys and with textured trackpoint buttons, then it was 5-row keyboard and so on... Another point in regards to this is that at least for me the really good ThinkPads started with the letter series, which is also the time when IBM started to outsource both design and manufacture. And the difference is plainly visible with traditional IBM's overengineering (eg. 600E, which is supposed to be low-cost model, is pain to disassemble and contains two handfuls of various weird and wonderful machined aluminium brackets, mainframe-style) being replaced with design that meaningfully balances cost, reliability and serviceability.
YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago
Well, they keep making new ones ...
Retr0spectrum 8y ago
My definition will always be "The most recent one that supports coreboot".
archi42 8y ago
That's probably true. I admit the first time I got in contact with ThinkPads was around 2006; so whatever was affordable for students back then might have stuck (tbh, I never had a TP until a year ago; and the Helix something entirely different).