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This should make for an interesting test of the level of anti-Apple group think out there as this is the same fundamental issue that caused the 2018 MBP fiasco.

by mbell 8y ago

This should make for an interesting test of the level of anti-Apple group think out there as this is the same fundamental issue that caused the 2018 MBP fiasco. MBP power limit was set too high, this laptop has it set too low.

nixpulvis 8y ago
Except, correct me if I'm wrong. Here it's much MUCH easier to fix/change yourself.
- mbell 8y ago
  In the MBP case you just waited for ~7 days for the fix to be delivered to you automatically. In this case you figure out how to update your BIOS under linux which is often non-trivial and then figure out how to install this which has a bunch of caveats: https://github.com/erpalma/lenovo-throttling-fix https://github.com/erpalma/lenovo-throttling-fix . There doesn't seem to be any indication what a 'real' fix is and whom is going to provide it. Which one is 'MUCH easier' is up to you.
  - nixpulvis 8y ago
    Depending on others is an option for sure, just leaves you feeling rather powerless doesn't it?
  - berbec 8y ago
    I'm all in with team penguin, but a windows 10 to go usb isn't that hard to make
  - kjeetgill 8y ago
    How well did Linux run out of the box on the new MacBooks on shipping day?
    - RL_Quine 8y ago
      They simply don't, and are unlikely to every comfortably do so due to how custom the hardware is getting (ie, the keyboard is a SPI device).
      - kjeetgill 8y ago
        I agree, and that's exactly my point. They're comparing a stumble in Lenovo's Linux support to Apple's MacOS support.
kjeetgill 8y ago
The MacBook issue was while running macOS so initially no one suspected that it was fixable in software. We assumed (incorrectly) that they'd tested their own OS on their own HW completely. A reasonable assumption and an honest mistake on their part. This is quite different because Windows, which they ship with, works well. For better or for worse, Linux users expect to take a while to sort out new hardware.

by mbell 8y ago

nixpulvis 8y ago

Except, correct me if I'm wrong. Here it's much MUCH easier to fix/change yourself.

mbell 8y ago
In the MBP case you just waited for ~7 days for the fix to be delivered to you automatically. In this case you figure out how to update your BIOS under linux which is often non-trivial and then figure out how to install this which has a bunch of caveats: https://github.com/erpalma/lenovo-throttling-fix https://github.com/erpalma/lenovo-throttling-fix . There doesn't seem to be any indication what a 'real' fix is and whom is going to provide it. Which one is 'MUCH easier' is up to you.
- nixpulvis 8y ago
  Depending on others is an option for sure, just leaves you feeling rather powerless doesn't it?
- berbec 8y ago
  I'm all in with team penguin, but a windows 10 to go usb isn't that hard to make
- kjeetgill 8y ago
  How well did Linux run out of the box on the new MacBooks on shipping day?
  - RL_Quine 8y ago
    They simply don't, and are unlikely to every comfortably do so due to how custom the hardware is getting (ie, the keyboard is a SPI device).
    - kjeetgill 8y ago
      I agree, and that's exactly my point. They're comparing a stumble in Lenovo's Linux support to Apple's MacOS support.

kjeetgill 8y ago

The MacBook issue was while running macOS so initially no one suspected that it was fixable in software. We assumed (incorrectly) that they'd tested their own OS on their own HW completely. A reasonable assumption and an honest mistake on their part. This is quite different because Windows, which they ship with, works well. For better or for worse, Linux users expect to take a while to sort out new hardware.