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I spoke directly with the pihole maintainers. They took a Hardline position that them blocking email from my city was the right thing to do because it used clic

by badbug 8y ago

I spoke directly with the pihole maintainers. They took a Hardline position that them blocking email from my city was the right thing to do because it used click tracking or some other metric gathering and was deemed a privacy risk. I understand the devotion to a cause but it was too myopic for me.

lightswitch05 8y ago
As far as I know, the pi-hole maintainers do not maintain any of the default block lists. I maintain a list [1] that is then feed into the popular host list by Steven Black [2] - which is a default list. I definitely do not want to break things for people and I'm happy to remove any reasonable domains from the list. I wouldn't consider google analytics a reasonable one to remove - but you get the idea. I hate to hear you had a bad experience of it. If my list had the breaking domains for you, I would of loved to have a ticket opened where we could discuss it. Sometimes it isn't clear cut between ads & tracking and useful services. [1] https://github.com/lightswitch05/hosts https://github.com/lightswitch05/hosts [2] https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts
jancsika 8y ago
Don't they have some kind of whitelist you can use?
- freehunter 8y ago
  Yes, they do. This story is very inaccurate.
  - badbug 8y ago
    You can whitelist but it isn't easy for non-technical users and becomes a huge chore. And this story is 100% accurate. I'll try and find it.
promofaux 8y ago
As commented below, we don't actually maintain any of the lists, so that wasn't us you spoke to! You can configure the lists that you use to suit your needs. You can also whitelist any domains that you need. It's up to you what you ultimately block!
- badbug 8y ago
  Yes, it was. In fact, I think it was you personally, lol.
  - promofaux 8y ago
    Hmmm, not sure I recall. Mind linking back to the conversation? Point is, we don't choose what domains are blocked or not, so there is nothing we can do except ship with a default whitelist. But we're not going to do that either, if we were to start doing that... what's to say we wouldn't whitelist something more nefarious. It's safest for us, and our reputation, to stay out of the finer points of the actual blocked/not domains and instead defer to individual list maintainers who make that their business.
    - badbug 8y ago
      Can't find it, it may have been on chat. But I did find a very similar request here with a work around: https://www.reddit.com/r/pihole/comments/49ckht/feature_request_conservative_mode/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pihole/comments/49ckht/feature_requ... So I understand you don't control the lists, but you do control the oobe and it seems like it might not be working for some people.
      - promofaux 8y ago
        That post is 2 years old, and the op understood and was ok with the outcome... Oobe is either 1)leave suggested defaults as is 2)don't use those lists. Option 2 is available in the installer before you're even up and running. There is only so much hand holding we can do, to be fair. We have an extensive support community, and plenty of documentation, and yes, whilst I agree some users may fall between the cracks, the majority are able to find a solution to their problems.

by badbug 8y ago

lightswitch05 8y ago

As far as I know, the pi-hole maintainers do not maintain any of the default block lists. I maintain a list [1] that is then feed into the popular host list by Steven Black [2] - which is a default list. I definitely do not want to break things for people and I'm happy to remove any reasonable domains from the list. I wouldn't consider google analytics a reasonable one to remove - but you get the idea. I hate to hear you had a bad experience of it. If my list had the breaking domains for you, I would of loved to have a ticket opened where we could discuss it. Sometimes it isn't clear cut between ads & tracking and useful services. [1] https://github.com/lightswitch05/hosts https://github.com/lightswitch05/hosts [2] https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts

jancsika 8y ago

Don't they have some kind of whitelist you can use?

freehunter 8y ago
Yes, they do. This story is very inaccurate.
- badbug 8y ago
  You can whitelist but it isn't easy for non-technical users and becomes a huge chore. And this story is 100% accurate. I'll try and find it.

promofaux 8y ago

As commented below, we don't actually maintain any of the lists, so that wasn't us you spoke to! You can configure the lists that you use to suit your needs. You can also whitelist any domains that you need. It's up to you what you ultimately block!

badbug 8y ago
Yes, it was. In fact, I think it was you personally, lol.
- promofaux 8y ago
  Hmmm, not sure I recall. Mind linking back to the conversation? Point is, we don't choose what domains are blocked or not, so there is nothing we can do except ship with a default whitelist. But we're not going to do that either, if we were to start doing that... what's to say we wouldn't whitelist something more nefarious. It's safest for us, and our reputation, to stay out of the finer points of the actual blocked/not domains and instead defer to individual list maintainers who make that their business.
  - badbug 8y ago
    Can't find it, it may have been on chat. But I did find a very similar request here with a work around: https://www.reddit.com/r/pihole/comments/49ckht/feature_request_conservative_mode/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pihole/comments/49ckht/feature_requ... So I understand you don't control the lists, but you do control the oobe and it seems like it might not be working for some people.
    - promofaux 8y ago
      That post is 2 years old, and the op understood and was ok with the outcome... Oobe is either 1)leave suggested defaults as is 2)don't use those lists. Option 2 is available in the installer before you're even up and running. There is only so much hand holding we can do, to be fair. We have an extensive support community, and plenty of documentation, and yes, whilst I agree some users may fall between the cracks, the majority are able to find a solution to their problems.