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It's just another license to ignore. I'll personally do whatever I want regardless of what is in the EULA.

StreamBright 8y ago
Not sure where you live or what sort of company you work for but in my country & our company we cannot just have a fuck all attitude towards software licenses.
- paulie_a 8y ago
  The USA and I've been doing it for two decades, honestly copyrights and licenses are not important to me. I have taken a fuck all attitude without consequence and will continue to do so forever.
  - misabon 8y ago
    Haha the plethora of GPL violations that exist without consequence sort of illustrate your point quite well.
    - StreamBright 8y ago
      You think if Oracle's legal team is after your company you get a free get out of license violation card?
      - misabon 8y ago
        Haha, I’m not playing that game because I’m lawsuit averse but I’m not surprised people are successful at it. This JDK includes telemetry so it just got a lot more dangerous to play but otherwise I’d guess license violations are pervasive at small shops.
        malka 8y ago
        even at big ones.
  - icedchai 8y ago
    Though it "sounds bad", this is a wonderfully practical approach. Why waste a lot of time with this BS?
    - colejohnson66 8y ago
      Because it’s a good way to get yourself sued
      - icedchai 8y ago
        Unless you're a very large firm, it's actually not. They'll negotiate with you long before lawyers are involved.
ballenf 8y ago
The moral argument that code should not be restrained by artificial license, like we treat ideas, is a strong one but not made clearly here. If code was treated more like ideas or recipes we'd all still have jobs. If you believe that strongly enough, civil disobedience through ignoring licenses is one approach. No one should risk more than they're willing to lose on the position because you will lose if it's costing someone else enough.
- paulie_a 8y ago
  It's not an act of civil disobedience. I just flat out give a shit. Also apparently I don't need to.
hodgesrm 8y ago
That won't work if your company goes through due diligence or ends up getting a licenses review from Oracle. You'll have to settle up then and it won't be cheap. The Oracle license police live for situations like this. p.s., If it's just personal use you are within the terms of the license.
rst 8y ago
Oracle is notorious for auditing compliance with their database licenses, and shaking down their users for extra money in the event the auditors find something even slightly questionable. There are external consultants that make a pretty good living just preparing companies to withstand those audits. They haven't been doing that with JDK licenses, so far -- as long as Java had licenses which didn't allow for this kind of gamesmanship. But now that the license has changed, it's a completely legitimate thing to get worried about.

Not sure where you live or what sort of company you work for but in my country & our company we cannot just have a fuck all attitude towards software licenses.

paulie_a 8y ago
The USA and I've been doing it for two decades, honestly copyrights and licenses are not important to me. I have taken a fuck all attitude without consequence and will continue to do so forever.
- misabon 8y ago
  Haha the plethora of GPL violations that exist without consequence sort of illustrate your point quite well.
  - StreamBright 8y ago
    You think if Oracle's legal team is after your company you get a free get out of license violation card?
    - misabon 8y ago
      Haha, I’m not playing that game because I’m lawsuit averse but I’m not surprised people are successful at it. This JDK includes telemetry so it just got a lot more dangerous to play but otherwise I’d guess license violations are pervasive at small shops.
      - malka 8y ago
        even at big ones.
- icedchai 8y ago
  Though it "sounds bad", this is a wonderfully practical approach. Why waste a lot of time with this BS?
  - colejohnson66 8y ago
    Because it’s a good way to get yourself sued
    - icedchai 8y ago
      Unless you're a very large firm, it's actually not. They'll negotiate with you long before lawyers are involved.

ballenf 8y ago

The moral argument that code should not be restrained by artificial license, like we treat ideas, is a strong one but not made clearly here. If code was treated more like ideas or recipes we'd all still have jobs. If you believe that strongly enough, civil disobedience through ignoring licenses is one approach. No one should risk more than they're willing to lose on the position because you will lose if it's costing someone else enough.

paulie_a 8y ago
It's not an act of civil disobedience. I just flat out give a shit. Also apparently I don't need to.

hodgesrm 8y ago

That won't work if your company goes through due diligence or ends up getting a licenses review from Oracle. You'll have to settle up then and it won't be cheap. The Oracle license police live for situations like this. p.s., If it's just personal use you are within the terms of the license.

rst 8y ago

Oracle is notorious for auditing compliance with their database licenses, and shaking down their users for extra money in the event the auditors find something even slightly questionable. There are external consultants that make a pretty good living just preparing companies to withstand those audits. They haven't been doing that with JDK licenses, so far -- as long as Java had licenses which didn't allow for this kind of gamesmanship. But now that the license has changed, it's a completely legitimate thing to get worried about.