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I have to wonder if the subsidizing of the Apple watch is a huge push for healthcare on it. For instance I was able to get the Series 3 for $120 through my prov

I have to wonder if the subsidizing of the Apple watch is a huge push for healthcare on it. For instance I was able to get the Series 3 for $120 through my provider. Which is a hefty drop from $400. I can't get the same discount on the Samsung watch, or any other smart watch, which is ironic since my Samsung watch works on both Android and iOS and does health tracking as well.

graeme 8y ago
Interesting. Is the Samsung watch less effective at heart health tracking, or does Apple just have better partnerships with insurers?
- brandonb 8y ago
  For what it's worth, United Healthcare's Motion program supports Fitbit, Garmin, Samsung, Apple Watch, and more: https://www.mobihealthnews.com/content/unitedhealthcare-adds-apple-watch-motion-employee-wellness-program https://www.mobihealthnews.com/content/unitedhealthcare-adds... UHC is the U.S.'s largest insurer, and they claim to have validation data that shows this program saves money.
  - awakeasleep 8y ago
    UHC's Motion program is an incentive program for higher value employees. It's more of a perk for the c-suite or law partners than a serious attempt to improve health.
- post_break 8y ago
  They both use the same crappy way of reading heart rate through a camera so it can't be that drastic of a difference. My samsung watch tracks flights of stairs, heart bpm through out the day, nags about water just like the Apple watch, etc. Even has a samsung health app that lets you do a video call to an actual doctor who can send scripts for sickness.
  - Eric_WVGG 8y ago
    Crappy? I was seeing a physical therapist for a while, he'd strap a heart monitor around my chest and have me doing exercise. When I got my Watch, I’d sometimes compare the figures — they were never more than two BPM off. Maybe that's not precise enough for doctors, but "crappy"?
    - CedarMadness 8y ago
      The accuracy of an optical HRM varies a lot based on the person. Skin tone, muscle, bodyfat, and band tightness all play a part. Apple's implementation is one of the better ones, but they all have problems to some degree. Although I haven't used the new watch, the fact that they're advertising this functionality tells me that they're very confident they've worked out these issues.
    - post_break 8y ago
      Crappy might have been a bit too rough, I know that it varied a lot based on how dirty it got under the watch. Like when working out the readings went out the window compared to my chest strap. The ECG on the new watch seems like the best way to do it. And I'd add yes, if it's not precise enough for doctors, then it shouldn't be touted as something my health insurance foots the bill for.
      - bluGill 8y ago
        >if it's not precise enough for doctors, then it shouldn't be touted as something my health insurance foots the bill for. That isn't true. There are level of information. The information I need to decide if I need to see a doctor or not is much lower quality that the information my doctor needs to make a diagnosis. Health insurance should foot the bill if ultimately the data is good enough to get people to the doctor when the problem is small and easy to treat. If a 100 dollar device for everybody allows them to turn a few $200,000 dollar procedures into $10,000 treatments that will be a big win and they will. (note that the above two may or may not be related)
- breckuh 8y ago
  I recently was looking to see where Samsung watch's health team was in the U.S. As far as I could tell there isn't one. I could be wrong, but that would seem to be a disadvantage compared to Apple/FitBit/Garmin/etc, since the more health focused these apps get the more they'll have to work with the FDA, insurers, hospitals, etc.

graeme 8y ago

Interesting. Is the Samsung watch less effective at heart health tracking, or does Apple just have better partnerships with insurers?

brandonb 8y ago
For what it's worth, United Healthcare's Motion program supports Fitbit, Garmin, Samsung, Apple Watch, and more: https://www.mobihealthnews.com/content/unitedhealthcare-adds-apple-watch-motion-employee-wellness-program https://www.mobihealthnews.com/content/unitedhealthcare-adds... UHC is the U.S.'s largest insurer, and they claim to have validation data that shows this program saves money.
- awakeasleep 8y ago
  UHC's Motion program is an incentive program for higher value employees. It's more of a perk for the c-suite or law partners than a serious attempt to improve health.
post_break 8y ago
They both use the same crappy way of reading heart rate through a camera so it can't be that drastic of a difference. My samsung watch tracks flights of stairs, heart bpm through out the day, nags about water just like the Apple watch, etc. Even has a samsung health app that lets you do a video call to an actual doctor who can send scripts for sickness.
- Eric_WVGG 8y ago
  Crappy? I was seeing a physical therapist for a while, he'd strap a heart monitor around my chest and have me doing exercise. When I got my Watch, I’d sometimes compare the figures — they were never more than two BPM off. Maybe that's not precise enough for doctors, but "crappy"?
  - CedarMadness 8y ago
    The accuracy of an optical HRM varies a lot based on the person. Skin tone, muscle, bodyfat, and band tightness all play a part. Apple's implementation is one of the better ones, but they all have problems to some degree. Although I haven't used the new watch, the fact that they're advertising this functionality tells me that they're very confident they've worked out these issues.
  - post_break 8y ago
    Crappy might have been a bit too rough, I know that it varied a lot based on how dirty it got under the watch. Like when working out the readings went out the window compared to my chest strap. The ECG on the new watch seems like the best way to do it. And I'd add yes, if it's not precise enough for doctors, then it shouldn't be touted as something my health insurance foots the bill for.
    - bluGill 8y ago
      >if it's not precise enough for doctors, then it shouldn't be touted as something my health insurance foots the bill for. That isn't true. There are level of information. The information I need to decide if I need to see a doctor or not is much lower quality that the information my doctor needs to make a diagnosis. Health insurance should foot the bill if ultimately the data is good enough to get people to the doctor when the problem is small and easy to treat. If a 100 dollar device for everybody allows them to turn a few $200,000 dollar procedures into $10,000 treatments that will be a big win and they will. (note that the above two may or may not be related)
breckuh 8y ago
I recently was looking to see where Samsung watch's health team was in the U.S. As far as I could tell there isn't one. I could be wrong, but that would seem to be a disadvantage compared to Apple/FitBit/Garmin/etc, since the more health focused these apps get the more they'll have to work with the FDA, insurers, hospitals, etc.