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I am a privacy conscious person, I've been using the Here We Go app on iOS for directions: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/here-wego-city-navigation/id95583760

by clubm8 8y ago

I am a privacy conscious person, I've been using the Here We Go app on iOS for directions: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/here-wego-city-navigation/id955837609 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/here-wego-city-navigation/id... It has very cool feature - offline maps. By downloading your state/country's maps, you don't have to query a server for every little mapping request. Between this app and saved podcasts, I'm able to switch off my mobile large chunks of the day.

costcopizza 8y ago
Big fan of Here We Go and the UI as well.
pickleman 8y ago
If you're privacy conscious, why do you have a smart phone at all? Get a standalone GPS Even in airplane mode, your phone is tracking where you go with the accelerometer. I don't have time to look up the video right now, but this has been tested.
- clubm8 8y ago
  > If you're privacy conscious, why do you have a smart phone at all? Get a standalone GPS There are trade offs between privacy and security, it's not an all or nothing affair. Even a dumb phone can be tracked via cell tower pings... I think most people who say things like you did aren't effectively thread modeling. For example, while I do own a smartphone, I turn it off and put it in a faraday bag during Defcon :) >Even in airplane mode, your phone is tracking where you go with the accelerometer. I don't have time to look up the video right now, but this has been tested. I'll acknowledge that's theoretically possible, but I'm selective about what apps I grant location privlidges to - I don't think most companies would want to risk fines etc by circumventing. If I'm attending an especially sensitive meeting, I wouldn't bring any phone with me.
  - pickleman 8y ago
    It's driving me crazy that I can't find this video. There was a defcon talk where they put a phone on airplane mode and stuck it in a faraday cage. They set up a box to see what it would transmit after they drove around for a while and connected to wifi and it transmitted location data based on the acceleratometer.
dwighttk 8y ago
How do they make money? Their site seems to point to selling some kind of information to companies: https://www.here.com/en/industries/media/advertising https://www.here.com/en/industries/media/advertising
AlexandrB 8y ago
Seems like a pretty cool app, but what's their business model? App is free, there are no IAP. My default assumption is either they're selling some kind of personal location data, even if it's not live or they are running on funding and this app will be either gone or infested with ads within a few years.

by clubm8 8y ago

costcopizza 8y ago

Big fan of Here We Go and the UI as well.

pickleman 8y ago

If you're privacy conscious, why do you have a smart phone at all? Get a standalone GPS Even in airplane mode, your phone is tracking where you go with the accelerometer. I don't have time to look up the video right now, but this has been tested.

clubm8 8y ago
> If you're privacy conscious, why do you have a smart phone at all? Get a standalone GPS There are trade offs between privacy and security, it's not an all or nothing affair. Even a dumb phone can be tracked via cell tower pings... I think most people who say things like you did aren't effectively thread modeling. For example, while I do own a smartphone, I turn it off and put it in a faraday bag during Defcon :) >Even in airplane mode, your phone is tracking where you go with the accelerometer. I don't have time to look up the video right now, but this has been tested. I'll acknowledge that's theoretically possible, but I'm selective about what apps I grant location privlidges to - I don't think most companies would want to risk fines etc by circumventing. If I'm attending an especially sensitive meeting, I wouldn't bring any phone with me.
- pickleman 8y ago
  It's driving me crazy that I can't find this video. There was a defcon talk where they put a phone on airplane mode and stuck it in a faraday cage. They set up a box to see what it would transmit after they drove around for a while and connected to wifi and it transmitted location data based on the acceleratometer.

dwighttk 8y ago

How do they make money? Their site seems to point to selling some kind of information to companies: https://www.here.com/en/industries/media/advertising https://www.here.com/en/industries/media/advertising

AlexandrB 8y ago

Seems like a pretty cool app, but what's their business model? App is free, there are no IAP. My default assumption is either they're selling some kind of personal location data, even if it's not live or they are running on funding and this app will be either gone or infested with ads within a few years.