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Bandwidth Alliance: sharing the benefits of interconnected networks

52 points by jgrahamc 8y ago

pyvpx 8y ago
So zero rating but for "the cloud" instead of mobile wireless end users? Not great. And it's beyond disingenuous to call peering "free". How does DE-CIX make any money? Do your line cards and optics and cross connects get donated?
- deleted 8y ago
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- manigandham 8y ago
  All pricing is either per-use or per-capacity. Interconnects are by capacity, so billing per use is just a billing type mismatch between the companies and their customers. This is going back to aligning them. It's only "free" because you as the customer already pay the infrastructure costs and the per-use pricing was all profit in the first place.
anc84 8y ago
Yaaay, more power to the behemoths!
- manigandham 8y ago
  This would be a great way for smaller companies to compete on bandwidth pricing. Seems like Digital Ocean and Packet are taking advantage just fine.
nik736 8y ago
I don't really see any benefit. Let's say I am hosting my app with DigitalOcean, instead of paying egress traffic ($10 per TB) I am now using Cloudflare as a CDN and they will wave the traffic pricing? Seems 1.) not really profitable for Cloudflare and 2.) Cloudflare is not the CDN of my choice because, for example, it isn't reaching DTAG directly, so >50% of Germany has a crippled connection to Cloudflare. The real problem still exists: reaching providers that charge a shit ton for transit.
talawahdotnet 8y ago
This is an awesome initiative. The fact that AWS isn't on board is disappointing, though not terribly surprising. I don't even think it makes sense to hold out hope for future inclusion given that AWS has a competing product and makes a ton of markup on their bandwidth charges, but I would love to be wrong about that.
ehfeng 8y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Improvement_Company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Improvement_Company
partiallypro 8y ago
As an Azure customer, I am happy about this...as someone that worries about such large players crowding out smaller data centers, this worries me. How easy is it for a smaller provider to join the Alliance? If it's easy, that's great...if it's limited to much larger players, I am a bit concerned about the long term effects.
- jgrahamc 8y ago
  Send email to bandwidthalliance@cloudflare.com It's easy.
  - partiallypro 8y ago
    Nice, thanks for the info!

52 points by jgrahamc 8y ago

So zero rating but for "the cloud" instead of mobile wireless end users? Not great. And it's beyond disingenuous to call peering "free". How does DE-CIX make any money? Do your line cards and optics and cross connects get donated?

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manigandham 8y ago
All pricing is either per-use or per-capacity. Interconnects are by capacity, so billing per use is just a billing type mismatch between the companies and their customers. This is going back to aligning them. It's only "free" because you as the customer already pay the infrastructure costs and the per-use pricing was all profit in the first place.

anc84 8y ago

Yaaay, more power to the behemoths!

manigandham 8y ago
This would be a great way for smaller companies to compete on bandwidth pricing. Seems like Digital Ocean and Packet are taking advantage just fine.

nik736 8y ago

I don't really see any benefit. Let's say I am hosting my app with DigitalOcean, instead of paying egress traffic ($10 per TB) I am now using Cloudflare as a CDN and they will wave the traffic pricing? Seems 1.) not really profitable for Cloudflare and 2.) Cloudflare is not the CDN of my choice because, for example, it isn't reaching DTAG directly, so >50% of Germany has a crippled connection to Cloudflare. The real problem still exists: reaching providers that charge a shit ton for transit.

talawahdotnet 8y ago

This is an awesome initiative. The fact that AWS isn't on board is disappointing, though not terribly surprising. I don't even think it makes sense to hold out hope for future inclusion given that AWS has a competing product and makes a ton of markup on their bandwidth charges, but I would love to be wrong about that.

ehfeng 8y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Improvement_Company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Improvement_Company

partiallypro 8y ago

As an Azure customer, I am happy about this...as someone that worries about such large players crowding out smaller data centers, this worries me. How easy is it for a smaller provider to join the Alliance? If it's easy, that's great...if it's limited to much larger players, I am a bit concerned about the long term effects.

jgrahamc 8y ago
Send email to bandwidthalliance@cloudflare.com It's easy.
- partiallypro 8y ago
  Nice, thanks for the info!