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This trivializes my childhood accomplishment. I don't like it! It blows my mind how speed runners learn to exploit the inner workings of a game, from timing h

by Dowwie 8y ago

This trivializes my childhood accomplishment. I don't like it! It blows my mind how speed runners learn to exploit the inner workings of a game, from timing hacks of the RNG to positioning actors on the screen to unlock design weaknesses. While it takes a lot of skill and many hours of practice to pull off these exploits, advancing through a game at record speeds through exploits takes away from the experience that was intended for play. Speedrunning is not playing the game better but rather playing exploits better.

adrianN 8y ago
It's a different game that uses the same cartidge. I don't think you should think of it as taking away from the experience, it rather adds another aspect of the game that you can enjoy.
Hattes 8y ago
Seems like a false dichotomy to me. This run has a fair amount of exploits, but also a lot of plain "being good at Mario". Compare to the any% run of Pokémon Red/Blue for instance (which uses an exploit to warp to the final screen of the game without any "traditional" gameplay).
oneeyedpigeon 8y ago
I think it's a bit of both. Clearly, the glitches weren't in the mind of the creators, so don't represent the 'proper' game. Still, this guy would clearly be insanely good at the game even if all the glitches were taken out — he's still playing the game better. It's also pretty difficult to define exactly where to draw the line on this one, so it's easier to just say "anything goes".
moate 8y ago
Think of the game as a deck of cards. You liked playing poker with the deck. These people are playing solitaire. It's a different game entirely using the same pieces. Your goal (to have fun) and their goal (to do something faster than any other person on the planet) both provided you with a sense of accomplishment, but you were never really trying to do the same things
emodendroket 8y ago
You can't do the speed run without first doing a regular run

by Dowwie 8y ago

adrianN 8y ago

It's a different game that uses the same cartidge. I don't think you should think of it as taking away from the experience, it rather adds another aspect of the game that you can enjoy.

Hattes 8y ago

Seems like a false dichotomy to me. This run has a fair amount of exploits, but also a lot of plain "being good at Mario". Compare to the any% run of Pokémon Red/Blue for instance (which uses an exploit to warp to the final screen of the game without any "traditional" gameplay).

oneeyedpigeon 8y ago

I think it's a bit of both. Clearly, the glitches weren't in the mind of the creators, so don't represent the 'proper' game. Still, this guy would clearly be insanely good at the game even if all the glitches were taken out — he's still playing the game better. It's also pretty difficult to define exactly where to draw the line on this one, so it's easier to just say "anything goes".

moate 8y ago

Think of the game as a deck of cards. You liked playing poker with the deck. These people are playing solitaire. It's a different game entirely using the same pieces. Your goal (to have fun) and their goal (to do something faster than any other person on the planet) both provided you with a sense of accomplishment, but you were never really trying to do the same things

emodendroket 8y ago

You can't do the speed run without first doing a regular run