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RoW: Good luck defending arbitrary behaviour in front of a court

by antr 8y ago

anomaly_ 8y ago
As opposed to the EU’s totally non-arbitrary action against US technology multinationals from a tax and competition perspective?
- antr 8y ago
  You said it: non-arbitrary
- rusk 8y ago
  All completely legal tho
- lumberjack 8y ago
  How ironic that you do not even realise how entitled you are to make such a remark. The EU is regulating its own markets. The US is trying to stop the EU from trading with Iran.
- zimablue 8y ago
  Think about what you're saying. If you read British history, the empire before this one, we used military dominance to force China to allow our companies to deal opium to their society, totally ravaging it. You're makinga similar argument except instead of opium it's surveillance capitalism. Whether or not you think SC is bad, it's hard to justify why countries shouldn't be allowed to take their own approach to what's allowed through their borders. And why countries should allow companies with natural monopolies and mayb massive profit margins to basically milk their citizens. Honestly I wish the EU /really/ did tech protectionism.
snaky 8y ago
I couldn't find the word 'court' in https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2018/08/285043.htm https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2018/08/285043.htm
- antr 8y ago
  That is because your are looking in the wrong place. Please refer to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. In the JCPOA sanctions are regulated. As long as Iran agrees to nuclear restrictions in exchange for the financial benefits of sanctions relief (as agreed in the JCPOA), the other members should be safe from a legal standpoint. Additionally, the EU Blocking Statute [1] came into force, mitigating any sanctions that the US might impose due to companies trading with Iran. [1] http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-4805_en.htm http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-4805_en.htm
- miracle2k 8y ago
  Certainly sanctioned or fined European banks would have the ability to challenge the measures in a US court. On the other hand, sanctions on a state are usually met with an equivalent response, and the only question is how powerful the other side is. In the case of the EU, the answer is, not powerless. Look, the US has a lot of cards to play. But randomly bullying banks who didnt do anything wrong, as per your suggestion, is not a particularly effective one, so they won't do that.
  - snaky 8y ago
    > effective It depends. If that would make some voters happy enough to vote Republicans in November, wouldn't it be effective?

RoW: Good luck defending arbitrary behaviour in front of a court

by antr 8y ago

RoW: Good luck defending arbitrary behaviour in front of a court

As opposed to the EU’s totally non-arbitrary action against US technology multinationals from a tax and competition perspective?

antr 8y ago
You said it: non-arbitrary
rusk 8y ago
All completely legal tho
lumberjack 8y ago
How ironic that you do not even realise how entitled you are to make such a remark. The EU is regulating its own markets. The US is trying to stop the EU from trading with Iran.
zimablue 8y ago
Think about what you're saying. If you read British history, the empire before this one, we used military dominance to force China to allow our companies to deal opium to their society, totally ravaging it. You're makinga similar argument except instead of opium it's surveillance capitalism. Whether or not you think SC is bad, it's hard to justify why countries shouldn't be allowed to take their own approach to what's allowed through their borders. And why countries should allow companies with natural monopolies and mayb massive profit margins to basically milk their citizens. Honestly I wish the EU /really/ did tech protectionism.

snaky 8y ago

I couldn't find the word 'court' in https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2018/08/285043.htm https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2018/08/285043.htm

antr 8y ago
That is because your are looking in the wrong place. Please refer to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. In the JCPOA sanctions are regulated. As long as Iran agrees to nuclear restrictions in exchange for the financial benefits of sanctions relief (as agreed in the JCPOA), the other members should be safe from a legal standpoint. Additionally, the EU Blocking Statute [1] came into force, mitigating any sanctions that the US might impose due to companies trading with Iran. [1] http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-4805_en.htm http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-4805_en.htm
miracle2k 8y ago
Certainly sanctioned or fined European banks would have the ability to challenge the measures in a US court. On the other hand, sanctions on a state are usually met with an equivalent response, and the only question is how powerful the other side is. In the case of the EU, the answer is, not powerless. Look, the US has a lot of cards to play. But randomly bullying banks who didnt do anything wrong, as per your suggestion, is not a particularly effective one, so they won't do that.
- snaky 8y ago
  > effective It depends. If that would make some voters happy enough to vote Republicans in November, wouldn't it be effective?