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komali2 8y ago
Thank you, this is exactly what I wanted to read up on. Oh, the Google thing. That's easy to sum up in my opinion. From his tldr: >Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we don’t have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership. Discrimination to reach equal representation is unfair, divisive, and bad for business. He failed to demonstrate a difference in traits between men and women correlating to engineering interest and ability. Therefore, equal representation is fair. Therefore, it is an attack on an underrepresented gender to argue otherwise. If he wants to go and research whether or not there are actual trait differences he's more than welcome to, but he shouldn't be surprised if Google doesn't want to fund that effort. By the way, it seems you're suggesting "belief that women are biologically predisposed to not be interested in / good at engineering" is a conservative value. I'd agree that it's a value many people that are conservatives hold, but I also know many fiscal conservatives who'd be quite insulted by this conflation. Brendan Eich opposed a bill giving equal rights to a certain group of humans based on born traits. Is "not wanting to give equal rights to a certain group of humans" a conservative value? That's a shame, because that kind of thing is typically illegal at the Constitutional level. If someone feels bad that they argue that gays shouldn't have equal rights, and then tbeh get fired over it, I have about as much sympathy for that person as I do for a racist. In any case, racism, sexism, hate against gays are not political opinions, and shouldn't be protected. For the CNN video, which was most interesting as I haven't seen it before, so thank you for turning it up: The first guy says "if I suggest we have more border security am I gonna get fired?" I'm not allowed to talk about politics at work, why should he? If there's an environment he's in where people are talking about this stuff, and he doesn't get to, that's definitely an issue! Same for maga hat guy. If someone holds unpopular opinions and is getting pushback about it, that's life in the big city. Every big city, actually. They're all full of liberals. I've yet to hear of people suffering actual consequences for expressing non-hateful aspects of their personal philosophy. Tldr I don't care that sexists, racists, or homophobes get fired for their beliefs. I don't care that a maga hat guy can't wear his hat to work because I can't put a Bernie sticker on my laptop and fair's fair. If a trump supporter doesn't have any friends in San Francisco, I am unsympathetic. If they get fired over it, though, I will be mad.
s73v3r_ 8y ago
Are you trying to say that anti-equality and anti-women views are now mainstream conservative ones?
- komali2 8y ago
  I agree with your assessment. Those that disagree probably aren't convinced the Google manifesto was sexist, or that opposing equal rights for gays is not homophobia. I've been in many discussions about both but have never been successfully conviced on either topic - maybe someone downvoting you will explain their reasoning?
jonathankoren 8y ago
Using Mozilla as an example is a bit odd. Sure it certainly was because of his political actions, but Mozilla isn't exactly a normal company. It's very collaborative and community run. He lost the support of the almost the entire community he was supposed to lead. If Mozilla was a normal company with shareholders, it would have been a shareholder revolt. That's just not a tenable situation.

komali2 8y ago

Thank you, this is exactly what I wanted to read up on. Oh, the Google thing. That's easy to sum up in my opinion. From his tldr: >Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we don’t have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership. Discrimination to reach equal representation is unfair, divisive, and bad for business. He failed to demonstrate a difference in traits between men and women correlating to engineering interest and ability. Therefore, equal representation is fair. Therefore, it is an attack on an underrepresented gender to argue otherwise. If he wants to go and research whether or not there are actual trait differences he's more than welcome to, but he shouldn't be surprised if Google doesn't want to fund that effort. By the way, it seems you're suggesting "belief that women are biologically predisposed to not be interested in / good at engineering" is a conservative value. I'd agree that it's a value many people that are conservatives hold, but I also know many fiscal conservatives who'd be quite insulted by this conflation. Brendan Eich opposed a bill giving equal rights to a certain group of humans based on born traits. Is "not wanting to give equal rights to a certain group of humans" a conservative value? That's a shame, because that kind of thing is typically illegal at the Constitutional level. If someone feels bad that they argue that gays shouldn't have equal rights, and then tbeh get fired over it, I have about as much sympathy for that person as I do for a racist. In any case, racism, sexism, hate against gays are not political opinions, and shouldn't be protected. For the CNN video, which was most interesting as I haven't seen it before, so thank you for turning it up: The first guy says "if I suggest we have more border security am I gonna get fired?" I'm not allowed to talk about politics at work, why should he? If there's an environment he's in where people are talking about this stuff, and he doesn't get to, that's definitely an issue! Same for maga hat guy. If someone holds unpopular opinions and is getting pushback about it, that's life in the big city. Every big city, actually. They're all full of liberals. I've yet to hear of people suffering actual consequences for expressing non-hateful aspects of their personal philosophy. Tldr I don't care that sexists, racists, or homophobes get fired for their beliefs. I don't care that a maga hat guy can't wear his hat to work because I can't put a Bernie sticker on my laptop and fair's fair. If a trump supporter doesn't have any friends in San Francisco, I am unsympathetic. If they get fired over it, though, I will be mad.

s73v3r_ 8y ago

Are you trying to say that anti-equality and anti-women views are now mainstream conservative ones?

komali2 8y ago
I agree with your assessment. Those that disagree probably aren't convinced the Google manifesto was sexist, or that opposing equal rights for gays is not homophobia. I've been in many discussions about both but have never been successfully conviced on either topic - maybe someone downvoting you will explain their reasoning?

jonathankoren 8y ago

Using Mozilla as an example is a bit odd. Sure it certainly was because of his political actions, but Mozilla isn't exactly a normal company. It's very collaborative and community run. He lost the support of the almost the entire community he was supposed to lead. If Mozilla was a normal company with shareholders, it would have been a shareholder revolt. That's just not a tenable situation.