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You'd be extremely hard pressed to prove that it's an anti-right wing bias, though.

jerf 8y ago
It's pretty easy. Hacker News seems to think Google seems pretty fair, since we're all "everything is biased and the filter bubble is inescapable, oh, wait, are we talking about Google? Things are great and the government is persecuting them." Hacker News is on the left side of the US as a whole and extremely hostile to Republicans in general and Trump specifically. If HN thinks Google is fair, that's nearly ipso facto proof it's quite substantially biased. Silicon Valley's lack of ideological diversity is a big problem for them. I don't mean from the point of view of being right or wrong in that ideology, I mean from the point of view of looking out at the rest of the world and modeling their reactions and what they're going to do. Even if the ideology embodied by Silicon Valley is the universe's sole, shining example of true truth and nothing else is even close, they're still going to find themselves having an increasingly difficult time navigating or even understanding the rest of the world, if they can't tolerate any other ideologies within themselves to give them those other perspectives on the world. Diversity really is important.
- nova22033 8y ago
  > Hacker News seems to think Solid data driven analysis is what I'm here for...
- komali2 8y ago
  I appreciate your reply. Do you have evidence that Google search results are anti republican biased?
  - firemancoder 8y ago
    I can tell someone's political leanings just by whether or not they think Google is biased. A lot of people are ok with the way things are. Will they be ok when they have an opinion that's not whitelisted by tech?
    - komali2 8y ago
      >I can tell someone's political leanings just by whether or not they think Google is biased. If someone described my political leanings they would certainly use the words "liberal," as well as "socialist," "communist," and maybe even sometimes "anarchist." Just to save you from having to engage in Strawman or false assumptions. I'm curious what my political leanings have to do with your claim. Do you have evidence that Google search/news/other products are "biased?" I have never seen evidence of actual evidence by the company itself demonstrating bias against conservative ideologies. I have seen plenty of evidence that for example the internet as a whole is biased against conservatives, or even really reality, but never google. I would definitely agree that the majority of employees can be described as liberal, but then again, Google's headquarters are in the Bay Area, so that's hardly Google's fault. Here's a writeup, I am genuinely trying to find evidence of this, because nobody that believes google is censoring conservatives has been able to get it for me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_Google https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_Google . Check discussion and sources for lots more info.
      - firemancoder 8y ago
        > I have seen plenty of evidence that for example the internet as a whole is biased against conservatives, or even really reality, This is where I stop having the conversation. You've lost sight of what an "opinion" is and what it means. You're not alone in the world, but it's not a discussion I care to have. No amount of evidence will convince you of anything.
        s73v3r_ 8y ago
        No, you don't get to pull that. You have not provided a shred of evidence of anything, so of course no one is going to be convinced by your ranting.
        firemancoder 8y ago
        I do get to pull that. I choose not to engage with people locked on to their ideas, so I don't have to. Complete waste of time. The worst thing you can do me is downvote my comments. That's all the power you have. Have at it bub.
  - beenBoutIT 8y ago
    I'm inclined to think that if republicans/conservatives are seeing less republican/conservative results in their respective republican/conservative Google searches, it's probably the result of republican/conservative webmasters who don't fully understand SEO.
- s73v3r_ 8y ago
  "Silicon Valley's lack of ideological diversity is a big problem for them. " I've never seen a claim of this that didn't boil down to accepting bigotry or trying to do backflips to make it seem "logical" that women or other minorities are inferior at coding.
  - manfredo 8y ago
    And the claims that Silicon Valley _doesn't_ have a ideological diversity problem I've seen have invariably boiled down either aggressively expanding the umbrella of what is considered "bigotry" (conspicuously to the benefit of one side of the political spectrum), or just outright advocating political discrimination - which is not actually all that uncommon, Reddit for instance openly admitted to making sure hires are "on-board politically" during Pao's tenture as CEO.
    - s73v3r_ 8y ago
      If you've got evidence, feel free to share it.

jerf 8y ago

It's pretty easy. Hacker News seems to think Google seems pretty fair, since we're all "everything is biased and the filter bubble is inescapable, oh, wait, are we talking about Google? Things are great and the government is persecuting them." Hacker News is on the left side of the US as a whole and extremely hostile to Republicans in general and Trump specifically. If HN thinks Google is fair, that's nearly ipso facto proof it's quite substantially biased. Silicon Valley's lack of ideological diversity is a big problem for them. I don't mean from the point of view of being right or wrong in that ideology, I mean from the point of view of looking out at the rest of the world and modeling their reactions and what they're going to do. Even if the ideology embodied by Silicon Valley is the universe's sole, shining example of true truth and nothing else is even close, they're still going to find themselves having an increasingly difficult time navigating or even understanding the rest of the world, if they can't tolerate any other ideologies within themselves to give them those other perspectives on the world. Diversity really is important.

nova22033 8y ago
> Hacker News seems to think Solid data driven analysis is what I'm here for...
komali2 8y ago
I appreciate your reply. Do you have evidence that Google search results are anti republican biased?
- firemancoder 8y ago
  I can tell someone's political leanings just by whether or not they think Google is biased. A lot of people are ok with the way things are. Will they be ok when they have an opinion that's not whitelisted by tech?
  - komali2 8y ago
    >I can tell someone's political leanings just by whether or not they think Google is biased. If someone described my political leanings they would certainly use the words "liberal," as well as "socialist," "communist," and maybe even sometimes "anarchist." Just to save you from having to engage in Strawman or false assumptions. I'm curious what my political leanings have to do with your claim. Do you have evidence that Google search/news/other products are "biased?" I have never seen evidence of actual evidence by the company itself demonstrating bias against conservative ideologies. I have seen plenty of evidence that for example the internet as a whole is biased against conservatives, or even really reality, but never google. I would definitely agree that the majority of employees can be described as liberal, but then again, Google's headquarters are in the Bay Area, so that's hardly Google's fault. Here's a writeup, I am genuinely trying to find evidence of this, because nobody that believes google is censoring conservatives has been able to get it for me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_Google https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_Google . Check discussion and sources for lots more info.
    - firemancoder 8y ago
      > I have seen plenty of evidence that for example the internet as a whole is biased against conservatives, or even really reality, This is where I stop having the conversation. You've lost sight of what an "opinion" is and what it means. You're not alone in the world, but it's not a discussion I care to have. No amount of evidence will convince you of anything.
      - s73v3r_ 8y ago
        No, you don't get to pull that. You have not provided a shred of evidence of anything, so of course no one is going to be convinced by your ranting.
        firemancoder 8y ago
        I do get to pull that. I choose not to engage with people locked on to their ideas, so I don't have to. Complete waste of time. The worst thing you can do me is downvote my comments. That's all the power you have. Have at it bub.
- beenBoutIT 8y ago
  I'm inclined to think that if republicans/conservatives are seeing less republican/conservative results in their respective republican/conservative Google searches, it's probably the result of republican/conservative webmasters who don't fully understand SEO.
s73v3r_ 8y ago
"Silicon Valley's lack of ideological diversity is a big problem for them. " I've never seen a claim of this that didn't boil down to accepting bigotry or trying to do backflips to make it seem "logical" that women or other minorities are inferior at coding.
- manfredo 8y ago
  And the claims that Silicon Valley _doesn't_ have a ideological diversity problem I've seen have invariably boiled down either aggressively expanding the umbrella of what is considered "bigotry" (conspicuously to the benefit of one side of the political spectrum), or just outright advocating political discrimination - which is not actually all that uncommon, Reddit for instance openly admitted to making sure hires are "on-board politically" during Pao's tenture as CEO.
  - s73v3r_ 8y ago
    If you've got evidence, feel free to share it.