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We're still using the 6 FML

by gdsdfe 8y ago

Freak_NL 8y ago
Ouch. Java 7 and 8 introduced a bunch of very pleasant syntactical fixes that greatly improved my pleasure in coding Java. What's holding you back on 6?
- pwagland 8y ago
  Probably they are using an "enterprise" J2EE stack that hasn't been updated to the latest version.
  - gdsdfe 8y ago
    Bingo! Ginormous amount of technical debt that nobody is dealing with and probably not even seeing ... Plus a culture of "if it works don't touch it" ... I am dying inside ...
    - itronitron 8y ago
      6 to 7 is an easier switch than 7 to 8, they changed the boolean value of at least one default runtime parameter in java 8 without telling anyone
  - qw 8y ago
    If the only restriction is the compatibility with the rest of the stack, perhaps Kotlin is an option? Kotlin can target JDK 6 and can integrate with old stacks
- agumonkey 8y ago
  yeah java8 is liveable, previous versions are tough on your soul
- riku_iki 8y ago
  >Java 7 and 8 and Java 10 has much better type inference too.
sigzero 8y ago
Pffttt....still on 5 here. Working to change that.
- akerro 8y ago
  >Working to change that. How are you planning to move from 5 to 8/11? Our migration from 5/6 to 8 was really painful.
  - gizmo385 8y ago
    I thought the whole point of a backwards compatible language like Java was that transitions should be relatively easy to make?
    - toyg 8y ago
      Backwards-compatible only means you can run old code on new VMs, with the correct target flags; it doesn't say anything about mixing new and old code.
    - akerro 8y ago
      A lot of stuff like ant/maven, other build tools, plugins, libraries broke due to hardening in JVM that puts a lot of more restrictions on reflection.
- ptx 8y ago
  On the bright side, Java 5 is a huge improvement over earlier versions – at least you have generics, and you don't have to manually create iterator objects every time you write a loop! (Java ME was stuck on 1.3 until its death.)
pjmlp 8y ago
One of our customers still has a couple of Red-Hat 5 with Java 1.4 servers if that makes you feel better.

We're still using the 6 FML

by gdsdfe 8y ago

We're still using the 6 FML

Ouch. Java 7 and 8 introduced a bunch of very pleasant syntactical fixes that greatly improved my pleasure in coding Java. What's holding you back on 6?

pwagland 8y ago
Probably they are using an "enterprise" J2EE stack that hasn't been updated to the latest version.
- gdsdfe 8y ago
  Bingo! Ginormous amount of technical debt that nobody is dealing with and probably not even seeing ... Plus a culture of "if it works don't touch it" ... I am dying inside ...
  - itronitron 8y ago
    6 to 7 is an easier switch than 7 to 8, they changed the boolean value of at least one default runtime parameter in java 8 without telling anyone
- qw 8y ago
  If the only restriction is the compatibility with the rest of the stack, perhaps Kotlin is an option? Kotlin can target JDK 6 and can integrate with old stacks
agumonkey 8y ago
yeah java8 is liveable, previous versions are tough on your soul
riku_iki 8y ago
>Java 7 and 8 and Java 10 has much better type inference too.

sigzero 8y ago

Pffttt....still on 5 here. Working to change that.

akerro 8y ago
>Working to change that. How are you planning to move from 5 to 8/11? Our migration from 5/6 to 8 was really painful.
- gizmo385 8y ago
  I thought the whole point of a backwards compatible language like Java was that transitions should be relatively easy to make?
  - toyg 8y ago
    Backwards-compatible only means you can run old code on new VMs, with the correct target flags; it doesn't say anything about mixing new and old code.
  - akerro 8y ago
    A lot of stuff like ant/maven, other build tools, plugins, libraries broke due to hardening in JVM that puts a lot of more restrictions on reflection.
ptx 8y ago
On the bright side, Java 5 is a huge improvement over earlier versions – at least you have generics, and you don't have to manually create iterator objects every time you write a loop! (Java ME was stuck on 1.3 until its death.)

pjmlp 8y ago

One of our customers still has a couple of Red-Hat 5 with Java 1.4 servers if that makes you feel better.