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"If you want your software to be adopted by Americans" Not to get too off-topic, but while taking the piss out of America is all good fun it should be emphasiz

"If you want your software to be adopted by Americans" Not to get too off-topic, but while taking the piss out of America is all good fun it should be emphasized that the original nature of the scandal wasnt just Americans whining about dirty engines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal#Legal_and_financial_repercussions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal#L... 20 countries, the EU included, filed criminal charges against high level executives at Volkswagen factories across the globe. the CEO himself was arrested in Germany.

chki 8y ago
I don't think that Martin Winterkorn (the former CEO of Volkswagen) was arrested. Maybe you are talking about Rupert Stadler (CEO of Audi, a Volkswagen daughter)
crunchlibrarian 8y ago
As an American I find it endlessly amusing when Europeans poke fun at us, the history of the 21st century so far makes it almost too easy. The jokes write themselves. But yes, Europeans should be as mad as anyone, the con of clean diesel that has been foisted upon them has killed at least a few hundred over the years.
- pc86 8y ago
  > clean diesel…has killed at least a few hundred over the years [citation needed]
  - rdl 8y ago
    Particulates and NOx. http://www.iiasa.ac.at/web/home/about/news/170918-diesel-nox.html http://www.iiasa.ac.at/web/home/about/news/170918-diesel-nox...
    - mpweiher 8y ago
      "Health effect estimates" "This new study estimates that ..."
      - abakker 8y ago
        Which means people did a study, and drew some conclusions, which you reject in a comment on the internet. Do you have research that contradicts theirs? do you have concerns with their methodology?
        mpweiher 8y ago
        estimates vs "has killed".
        crunchlibrarian 8y ago
        Coal plants have killed. NOx emissions have killed. Lead has killed. Nuclear waste has killed. Gamma rays have killed. You're trying to complicate something that is very simple.
        rdl 8y ago
        It is of course entirely possible that coal/lead/nuclear/etc. provide way more benefit than the harm, too.
      - axus 8y ago
        Like that Puerto Rico hurricane study?
  - ackidacki 8y ago
    Do you have research that shows clean diesel makes people live? Maybe you should pipe diesel to a tank containing a person, err wait not a person a money... Oh wait. Volkswagen did that.
- xaduha 8y ago
  http://theweek.com/speedreads/798035/world-leaders-literally-laugh-trump-when-claims-accomplished-more-than-almost-administration http://theweek.com/speedreads/798035/world-leaders-literally...
- deleted 8y ago
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InternetOfStuff 8y ago
> "If you want your software to be adopted by Americans" > Not to get too off-topic, but while taking the piss out of America I read the opposite into it. I figured it was a piss-take directed at VW.
netsharc 8y ago
It's important to note that the regulatory bodies of UK, France and Germany lobbied to keep the loopholes in emissions testing: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/24/uk-france-and-germany-lobbied-for-flawed-car-emissions-tests-documents-reveal https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/24/uk-franc... . Probably because the governments want to keep their car industry booming and the jobs secured...

chki 8y ago

I don't think that Martin Winterkorn (the former CEO of Volkswagen) was arrested. Maybe you are talking about Rupert Stadler (CEO of Audi, a Volkswagen daughter)

crunchlibrarian 8y ago

As an American I find it endlessly amusing when Europeans poke fun at us, the history of the 21st century so far makes it almost too easy. The jokes write themselves. But yes, Europeans should be as mad as anyone, the con of clean diesel that has been foisted upon them has killed at least a few hundred over the years.

pc86 8y ago
> clean diesel…has killed at least a few hundred over the years [citation needed]
- rdl 8y ago
  Particulates and NOx. http://www.iiasa.ac.at/web/home/about/news/170918-diesel-nox.html http://www.iiasa.ac.at/web/home/about/news/170918-diesel-nox...
  - mpweiher 8y ago
    "Health effect estimates" "This new study estimates that ..."
    - abakker 8y ago
      Which means people did a study, and drew some conclusions, which you reject in a comment on the internet. Do you have research that contradicts theirs? do you have concerns with their methodology?
      - mpweiher 8y ago
        estimates vs "has killed".
        crunchlibrarian 8y ago
        Coal plants have killed. NOx emissions have killed. Lead has killed. Nuclear waste has killed. Gamma rays have killed. You're trying to complicate something that is very simple.
        rdl 8y ago
        It is of course entirely possible that coal/lead/nuclear/etc. provide way more benefit than the harm, too.
    - axus 8y ago
      Like that Puerto Rico hurricane study?
- ackidacki 8y ago
  Do you have research that shows clean diesel makes people live? Maybe you should pipe diesel to a tank containing a person, err wait not a person a money... Oh wait. Volkswagen did that.
xaduha 8y ago
http://theweek.com/speedreads/798035/world-leaders-literally-laugh-trump-when-claims-accomplished-more-than-almost-administration http://theweek.com/speedreads/798035/world-leaders-literally...
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InternetOfStuff 8y ago

> "If you want your software to be adopted by Americans" > Not to get too off-topic, but while taking the piss out of America I read the opposite into it. I figured it was a piss-take directed at VW.

netsharc 8y ago

It's important to note that the regulatory bodies of UK, France and Germany lobbied to keep the loopholes in emissions testing: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/24/uk-france-and-germany-lobbied-for-flawed-car-emissions-tests-documents-reveal https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/24/uk-franc... . Probably because the governments want to keep their car industry booming and the jobs secured...