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Unless you're an H1-B worker in which case it's gets much more complicated. In my experience, most of the H1-B workers we have are very much Yes Men when it co

Unless you're an H1-B worker in which case it's gets much more complicated. In my experience, most of the H1-B workers we have are very much Yes Men when it comes to doing what's asked of them. There are also cultural factors that come into play (e.g. never admitting ignorance on a topic, pleasing authority ) and .

ehosca 8y ago
H1-B is modern day slavery.
- kbenson 8y ago
  > H1-B is modern day slavery. Eh, there's a power imbalance, but let's not go overboard. They are offered a good job with good pay in another country. That means they have less power in negotiations, and may be deported, but they don't lose the money they earned, and it's not like they are being exiled to some foreign place, they are literally sent home. Nobody's freedom is being taken away, and nobody's rights are being infringed (that I know of). It may not be morally acceptable depending on your point of view, but it's not slavery. Using that word here lessens how strong it is when used in other contexts, modern day (human trafficking) and historically (in America and eslewhere). We don't need that.
  - Notorious_BLT 8y ago
    Being sent "home" when you've been living and working in another country for possibly years at a time doesn't really make it any better. You don't necessarily have a "home" wherever you came from.
    - kbenson 8y ago
      > Being sent "home" when you've been living and working in another country for possibly years at a time doesn't really make it any better. Than slavery? Yes it does make it better. Much better.
  - cptskippy 8y ago
    It's more like indentured servitude.
jhowell 8y ago
Is this not a problem?
- cptskippy 8y ago
  I think it contributes to the loss of morality in software. There might also be an element of cultural unfamiliarity and assuming behavior is normal and acceptable.
javver 8y ago
Maybe it's because when they get fired they get deported. Other permanent residents just have to find another job.

ehosca 8y ago

H1-B is modern day slavery.

kbenson 8y ago
> H1-B is modern day slavery. Eh, there's a power imbalance, but let's not go overboard. They are offered a good job with good pay in another country. That means they have less power in negotiations, and may be deported, but they don't lose the money they earned, and it's not like they are being exiled to some foreign place, they are literally sent home. Nobody's freedom is being taken away, and nobody's rights are being infringed (that I know of). It may not be morally acceptable depending on your point of view, but it's not slavery. Using that word here lessens how strong it is when used in other contexts, modern day (human trafficking) and historically (in America and eslewhere). We don't need that.
- Notorious_BLT 8y ago
  Being sent "home" when you've been living and working in another country for possibly years at a time doesn't really make it any better. You don't necessarily have a "home" wherever you came from.
  - kbenson 8y ago
    > Being sent "home" when you've been living and working in another country for possibly years at a time doesn't really make it any better. Than slavery? Yes it does make it better. Much better.
- cptskippy 8y ago
  It's more like indentured servitude.

jhowell 8y ago

Is this not a problem?

cptskippy 8y ago
I think it contributes to the loss of morality in software. There might also be an element of cultural unfamiliarity and assuming behavior is normal and acceptable.

javver 8y ago

Maybe it's because when they get fired they get deported. Other permanent residents just have to find another job.