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Given that you would say that everything in our life is determined at birth? We just don't have enough knowledge to fast forward the simulation?

by tudelo 8y ago

intralizee 8y ago
"Given that you would say that everything in our life is determined at birth? We just don't have enough knowledge to fast forward the simulation?" Yes
odnes 8y ago
The opposite of free will is not necessarily pre-determination. It's probably the case that events proceed randomly at atomic levels and this randomness snowballs into more macro events (e.g. neurons discharging).
- intralizee 8y ago
  Still pre-determination if you have a system that is deterministic but influenced from an outside force and the outside force executing the alterations is not in the system being influenced.
- tudelo 8y ago
  It seems to me that the system you describe lacks free will and is pre-determined by a causal action.
adrianN 8y ago
The universe isn't deterministic as far as we know, so that's probably not right. But if you change it to something that is compatible with the predictions that can be made using quantum mechanics then that's most likely the truth.
- intralizee 8y ago
  Quantum mechanics may possibly be a case of observing determinism but we assume randomness by our current technology. Everything else observable has been fitting the deterministic modal. If a random variable were to be added to a person's mind as metaphorically similar to quantum mechanics, it would result in factoring into the future events of the person and similar to all the other variables & events a person experiences.
Brockenstein 8y ago
Well that's an extreme too far. Your life is not predetermined at birth. But our options from moment to moment might be limited by our biology. Some of them are weighted by the circumstances of our births. Every day something that we might have absolutely no control of personally might change the course of our lives for the better or worst. You are you after all. But you are also still just a human being, subject to their quirks, foibles and limitations too. > We just don't have enough knowledge to fast forward the simulation? Well we could simulate a trillion possible outcomes because we're talking a simulation that involves a trillion variables. Which one would definitely occur we could only be sure in hindsight. Maybe just like how computers can't truly generate a random number, we can make it appear virtually random. Maybe freewill is somewhat similar in that regard, that there's quite a bit of freedom in a lot of choices, but overall it's not absolutely free will that we're operating on.
- intralizee 8y ago
  "Your life is not predetermined at birth" Yes it is pre-determined at birth.

Given that you would say that everything in our life is determined at birth? We just don't have enough knowledge to fast forward the simulation?

by tudelo 8y ago

Given that you would say that everything in our life is determined at birth? We just don't have enough knowledge to fast forward the simulation?

intralizee 8y ago

"Given that you would say that everything in our life is determined at birth? We just don't have enough knowledge to fast forward the simulation?" Yes

odnes 8y ago

The opposite of free will is not necessarily pre-determination. It's probably the case that events proceed randomly at atomic levels and this randomness snowballs into more macro events (e.g. neurons discharging).

intralizee 8y ago
Still pre-determination if you have a system that is deterministic but influenced from an outside force and the outside force executing the alterations is not in the system being influenced.
tudelo 8y ago
It seems to me that the system you describe lacks free will and is pre-determined by a causal action.

adrianN 8y ago

The universe isn't deterministic as far as we know, so that's probably not right. But if you change it to something that is compatible with the predictions that can be made using quantum mechanics then that's most likely the truth.

intralizee 8y ago
Quantum mechanics may possibly be a case of observing determinism but we assume randomness by our current technology. Everything else observable has been fitting the deterministic modal. If a random variable were to be added to a person's mind as metaphorically similar to quantum mechanics, it would result in factoring into the future events of the person and similar to all the other variables & events a person experiences.

Brockenstein 8y ago

Well that's an extreme too far. Your life is not predetermined at birth. But our options from moment to moment might be limited by our biology. Some of them are weighted by the circumstances of our births. Every day something that we might have absolutely no control of personally might change the course of our lives for the better or worst. You are you after all. But you are also still just a human being, subject to their quirks, foibles and limitations too. > We just don't have enough knowledge to fast forward the simulation? Well we could simulate a trillion possible outcomes because we're talking a simulation that involves a trillion variables. Which one would definitely occur we could only be sure in hindsight. Maybe just like how computers can't truly generate a random number, we can make it appear virtually random. Maybe freewill is somewhat similar in that regard, that there's quite a bit of freedom in a lot of choices, but overall it's not absolutely free will that we're operating on.

intralizee 8y ago
"Your life is not predetermined at birth" Yes it is pre-determined at birth.