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What will you replace gmail with?

jakecopp 8y ago
FastMail looks like a good option!
ux-app 8y ago
Testing proton mail. If mail delivery is solid then that will do, otherwise outlook.com will be good enough. I'm ungoogling my life and strangely enough, MS is the less bad option right now.
- calv 8y ago
  If you have your own domain I recently found Migadu from HN like a day or two ago in another discussion. (and I love them already)
  - CaptainJustin 8y ago
    Migadu is fantastic. Support has been good as well.
- imdsm 8y ago
  proton is good
felixfbecker 8y ago
outlook.com is great
- AsyncAwait 8y ago
  MS is not the most trustworthy company either, see Windows 10. If you're going to the hassle of actually switching, at lest don't do it from one big corp to the next. Personally I use https://www.webfaction.com https://www.webfaction.com and am very happy with it. Also heard good things about FastMail, but Australia has some crazy laws coming so not sure about that. ProtonMail seems solid as well.
pmlnr 8y ago
I'd love to tell people the only way to replace gmail is to get either your own mail server or at least your own domain, but this is an unreasonable goal. However.... re-decentralization resonates quite well these days when it comes to the web. I wonder what it would take to be re-applies to email.
- coldtea 8y ago
  >I'd love to tell people the only way to replace gmail is to get either your own mail server or at least your own domain, It's trivially easy to get blacklisted as spam that way...
  - ryandrake 8y ago
    This is kind of FUD. I’ve been running my own mail server for over a year now, and my E-mails don’t magically disappear into some blacklist. Do you have to be careful when configuring your server? Yes. Can you get on a blacklist erroneously? Yes. Does not going with a hosted solution mean you cannot participate in E-mail? No way. I don’t know where this myth comes from that running your own mail infra means your mail will be marked as spam. You’re not the first (or second or third) person to mention it though.
    - r1ch 8y ago
      It takes a long time to build up IP reputation if you run your own infrastructure. Even today after a year+ on the same IP, DKIM/SPF/DMARC, senderscore of 100 and transactional email only, Yahoo still randomly blacklists us for weeks at a time. Good luck getting in touch with a human to figure out why when you aren't Gmail or another big player in the industry. Aside from Yahoo though, we generally haven't experienced any blacklisting or deliverability issues. It does require time to setup properly and maintain however, you can't just set it up and forget about it.
      - pmlnr 8y ago
        That's exactly part of the problem. If email went back to decentralization properly, the whole idea of ip reputation could go away, which is genuinely wrong and against email in the first place.
vader1 8y ago
From yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18054574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18054574 :)
bad_user 8y ago
I use FastMail with my own domain. I used to use Google Apps before it. But before switching email services, do yourself a favor and ditch webmail interfaces first. Pick up a desktop/native email client and switch to IMAP / SMTP. On MacOS a solid option for us power users is MailMate (https://freron.com/ https://freron.com/) ... markdown composer, GMail shortcuts, useful bundles, fast, uncluttered, it's basically what I wanted Thunderbird to be. Development on Thunderbird is apparently ongoing too and they just released version 60. Apparently Web Extensions are in the works too. Transitioning to a native client is painful at first, but it's worth it. GMail's web interface is a piece of shit lately anyway.
- JustSomeNobody 8y ago
  Would like to add to your excellent suggestions. When you switch away from Google, set your gmail to forward and delete your email (to your new email address). That way you won't leave any emails on gmail but you can keep it up until you've completely migrated.
- briandear 8y ago
  > markdown composer.. What kind of emails need markdown composing?
  - bad_user 8y ago
    It's awesome for emails containing snippets of code, code with syntax highlighting being my use case. And for formatting in general, the resulting email (composed in MailMate) will be very friendly to clients that prefer to display emails as plain text, since the text version is going to be very clean. There's also a browser extension working with GMail's web interface too, but it doesn't work as well as MailMate: https://markdown-here.com/ https://markdown-here.com/

FastMail looks like a good option!

Testing proton mail. If mail delivery is solid then that will do, otherwise outlook.com will be good enough. I'm ungoogling my life and strangely enough, MS is the less bad option right now.

calv 8y ago
If you have your own domain I recently found Migadu from HN like a day or two ago in another discussion. (and I love them already)
- CaptainJustin 8y ago
  Migadu is fantastic. Support has been good as well.
imdsm 8y ago
proton is good

felixfbecker 8y ago

outlook.com is great

AsyncAwait 8y ago
MS is not the most trustworthy company either, see Windows 10. If you're going to the hassle of actually switching, at lest don't do it from one big corp to the next. Personally I use https://www.webfaction.com https://www.webfaction.com and am very happy with it. Also heard good things about FastMail, but Australia has some crazy laws coming so not sure about that. ProtonMail seems solid as well.

pmlnr 8y ago

I'd love to tell people the only way to replace gmail is to get either your own mail server or at least your own domain, but this is an unreasonable goal. However.... re-decentralization resonates quite well these days when it comes to the web. I wonder what it would take to be re-applies to email.

coldtea 8y ago
>I'd love to tell people the only way to replace gmail is to get either your own mail server or at least your own domain, It's trivially easy to get blacklisted as spam that way...
- ryandrake 8y ago
  This is kind of FUD. I’ve been running my own mail server for over a year now, and my E-mails don’t magically disappear into some blacklist. Do you have to be careful when configuring your server? Yes. Can you get on a blacklist erroneously? Yes. Does not going with a hosted solution mean you cannot participate in E-mail? No way. I don’t know where this myth comes from that running your own mail infra means your mail will be marked as spam. You’re not the first (or second or third) person to mention it though.
  - r1ch 8y ago
    It takes a long time to build up IP reputation if you run your own infrastructure. Even today after a year+ on the same IP, DKIM/SPF/DMARC, senderscore of 100 and transactional email only, Yahoo still randomly blacklists us for weeks at a time. Good luck getting in touch with a human to figure out why when you aren't Gmail or another big player in the industry. Aside from Yahoo though, we generally haven't experienced any blacklisting or deliverability issues. It does require time to setup properly and maintain however, you can't just set it up and forget about it.
    - pmlnr 8y ago
      That's exactly part of the problem. If email went back to decentralization properly, the whole idea of ip reputation could go away, which is genuinely wrong and against email in the first place.

vader1 8y ago

From yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18054574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18054574 :)

bad_user 8y ago

I use FastMail with my own domain. I used to use Google Apps before it. But before switching email services, do yourself a favor and ditch webmail interfaces first. Pick up a desktop/native email client and switch to IMAP / SMTP. On MacOS a solid option for us power users is MailMate (https://freron.com/ https://freron.com/) ... markdown composer, GMail shortcuts, useful bundles, fast, uncluttered, it's basically what I wanted Thunderbird to be. Development on Thunderbird is apparently ongoing too and they just released version 60. Apparently Web Extensions are in the works too. Transitioning to a native client is painful at first, but it's worth it. GMail's web interface is a piece of shit lately anyway.

JustSomeNobody 8y ago
Would like to add to your excellent suggestions. When you switch away from Google, set your gmail to forward and delete your email (to your new email address). That way you won't leave any emails on gmail but you can keep it up until you've completely migrated.
briandear 8y ago
> markdown composer.. What kind of emails need markdown composing?
- bad_user 8y ago
  It's awesome for emails containing snippets of code, code with syntax highlighting being my use case. And for formatting in general, the resulting email (composed in MailMate) will be very friendly to clients that prefer to display emails as plain text, since the text version is going to be very clean. There's also a browser extension working with GMail's web interface too, but it doesn't work as well as MailMate: https://markdown-here.com/ https://markdown-here.com/