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Apollo 11 and Other Screw-Ups

105 points by shawn 8y ago

dang 8y ago
Discussion from a couple years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12040503 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12040503
- shawn 8y ago
  I thought of something related to you banning all of my accounts for 3 months for questioning your logic. Your reasoning seems to be, “You asked about policy in the past, so therefore you may not ask about policy in the present. You also may not insinuate that I made a bad decision, otherwise I will ban you for three months.” Are you sure that’s productive? Meanwhile, I just reported a security vulnerability in HN search that allows people to build a list of 894 YC founders’ HN usernames. When I submitted https://news.ycombinator.com/topcolors https://news.ycombinator.com/topcolors to the front page, it took the site offline. I emailed immediately and the site was back online within about 10 minutes. How long would it have taken to diagnose why HN was suddenly taking 99% cpu? I’ve been a community member for just as long as you’ve been. You make correct decisions nearly 99% of the time. But those 1% of bad calls have long-lasting consequences, and there is no way to get you to reconsider your stance. All of this could have been avoided by simply saying “I don’t think the topic was appropriate for HN, and so you were rate limited for a couple months. Check back then.” You say I am a problem user and that you have no choice but to ignore me, when I am only asking “Hey, what is going on? Why is this happening?” I don’t want to be writing these things publicly, but what choice do I have? You reject any attempt at dialog and treat people like worthless gnats unworthy of your time. Though it probably never seems like it from the swatter’s perspective. I don’t get you.
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sizzzzlerz 8y ago
Eyles has written a book Sunburst and Luminary: An Apollo Memoir, https://www.amazon.com/Sunburst-Luminary-Apollo-Don-Eyles/dp/0986385905 https://www.amazon.com/Sunburst-Luminary-Apollo-Don-Eyles/dp..., published earlier this year which recounts his role in designing and building much of the software in the Apollo guidance computer. It recounts much of this history and is a worthwhile read for space and Apollo junkies.
emp44 8y ago
Related article about Don & Apollo 14: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/don-eyles-extra-weird-looking-freak-saves-apollo-14-40737/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/don-eyle...
carapace 8y ago
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_(scientist)#Apollo_11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_(scientist)#...
jrd259 8y ago
See also Mindell, David A. Digital Apollo. MIT Press 2011
- andyjohnson0 8y ago
  I second your recommendation of Digital Apollo - an excellent book. I also rate How Apollo Flew to the Moon by David Woods (Springer Praxis, 2011) very highly. The cover is kind of cheesy but its full of the kind of technical detail that is hard to find without reading through old NASA docs.
browsercoin 8y ago
The most curious screw ups to me are the badly photoshopped images to get rid of UFO activity. Just look at the testimony by former NASA workers who independently heard the full transcript regarding Apollo team's sightings of extra terrestrial vehicles monitoring them.
- thrower123 8y ago
  Do you have any links for that? I would love to learn more.
  - browsercoin 8y ago
    https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/80171742 https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/80171742
- b2ccb2 8y ago
  If you are talking about Buzz Aldrin et. all, no, no Astronaut on record ever confirmed seeing extra terrestrial vehicles "monitoring" them. [1][2][3][4][5] [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20110721050308/http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/question/?id=1568 https://web.archive.org/web/20110721050308/http://astrobiolo... [2] https://sservi.nasa.gov/?question=apollo-11-ufo-sighting https://sservi.nasa.gov/?question=apollo-11-ufo-sighting [3] https://www.skeptical-science.com/skeptic-news/did-buzz-aldrin-see-a-ufo-hint-no/ https://www.skeptical-science.com/skeptic-news/did-buzz-aldr... [4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/04/10/buzz-aldrins-ufo-sighting-moon-missions-mystique-might-have-simple-explanation/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.bc5e3b8fde6c https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/04/10... [5] https://www.csicop.org/si/show/ufos_and_aliens_in_space https://www.csicop.org/si/show/ufos_and_aliens_in_space
  - browsercoin 8y ago
    no not Buzz but he certainly did do a little more than hint there's something going on but he can't say it for obvious reasons. If you look at NASA streams they 'randomly' experience technical issues but it's widely observed that this typically happens when a UFO is detected. there's so much we don't know and are not being told but what is clear is this-extra terrestrials possess technology that far exceeds our own and possibly this dimension, and this scares the shit out of superpowers. It's supported by the fact that there is so much fake UFO with very real ones (ex. US Navy f-18 video) so you can't claim what is real and what isn't. Also this happened to USSR with their trip to the Phobos moon when the satellite all of sudden disappeared and there's captured photos showing what appears to be cylindrical objects. We can't send satellites there because they keep disappearing. The real theory as to why we haven't been back on the moon is because the extra terrestrials that are supposedly mining on the moon will not allow weaponization of space. I know this is shocking but it's the most logical conclusion following the various "technical difficulties" during the live coverage of the moon landing. 20 years ago nobody listened to the theory that the government is snooping on everyone because it was too out there. We have multiple witness accounts from credible backgrounds being demonized and outcasted as mentally ill. This is the greatest trick they pull. I mean look around, what has changed after Snowden? Absolutely nothing because there's fuck all we can do about it when everybody is focused on the carrot on the end of the stick.

105 points by shawn 8y ago

dang 8y ago

Discussion from a couple years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12040503 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12040503

shawn 8y ago
I thought of something related to you banning all of my accounts for 3 months for questioning your logic. Your reasoning seems to be, “You asked about policy in the past, so therefore you may not ask about policy in the present. You also may not insinuate that I made a bad decision, otherwise I will ban you for three months.” Are you sure that’s productive? Meanwhile, I just reported a security vulnerability in HN search that allows people to build a list of 894 YC founders’ HN usernames. When I submitted https://news.ycombinator.com/topcolors https://news.ycombinator.com/topcolors to the front page, it took the site offline. I emailed immediately and the site was back online within about 10 minutes. How long would it have taken to diagnose why HN was suddenly taking 99% cpu? I’ve been a community member for just as long as you’ve been. You make correct decisions nearly 99% of the time. But those 1% of bad calls have long-lasting consequences, and there is no way to get you to reconsider your stance. All of this could have been avoided by simply saying “I don’t think the topic was appropriate for HN, and so you were rate limited for a couple months. Check back then.” You say I am a problem user and that you have no choice but to ignore me, when I am only asking “Hey, what is going on? Why is this happening?” I don’t want to be writing these things publicly, but what choice do I have? You reject any attempt at dialog and treat people like worthless gnats unworthy of your time. Though it probably never seems like it from the swatter’s perspective. I don’t get you.
- deleted 8y ago
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sizzzzlerz 8y ago

Eyles has written a book Sunburst and Luminary: An Apollo Memoir, https://www.amazon.com/Sunburst-Luminary-Apollo-Don-Eyles/dp/0986385905 https://www.amazon.com/Sunburst-Luminary-Apollo-Don-Eyles/dp..., published earlier this year which recounts his role in designing and building much of the software in the Apollo guidance computer. It recounts much of this history and is a worthwhile read for space and Apollo junkies.

emp44 8y ago

Related article about Don & Apollo 14: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/don-eyles-extra-weird-looking-freak-saves-apollo-14-40737/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/don-eyle...

carapace 8y ago

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_(scientist)#Apollo_11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_(scientist)#...

jrd259 8y ago

See also Mindell, David A. Digital Apollo. MIT Press 2011

andyjohnson0 8y ago
I second your recommendation of Digital Apollo - an excellent book. I also rate How Apollo Flew to the Moon by David Woods (Springer Praxis, 2011) very highly. The cover is kind of cheesy but its full of the kind of technical detail that is hard to find without reading through old NASA docs.

browsercoin 8y ago

The most curious screw ups to me are the badly photoshopped images to get rid of UFO activity. Just look at the testimony by former NASA workers who independently heard the full transcript regarding Apollo team's sightings of extra terrestrial vehicles monitoring them.

thrower123 8y ago
Do you have any links for that? I would love to learn more.
- browsercoin 8y ago
  https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/80171742 https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/80171742
b2ccb2 8y ago
If you are talking about Buzz Aldrin et. all, no, no Astronaut on record ever confirmed seeing extra terrestrial vehicles "monitoring" them. [1][2][3][4][5] [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20110721050308/http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/question/?id=1568 https://web.archive.org/web/20110721050308/http://astrobiolo... [2] https://sservi.nasa.gov/?question=apollo-11-ufo-sighting https://sservi.nasa.gov/?question=apollo-11-ufo-sighting [3] https://www.skeptical-science.com/skeptic-news/did-buzz-aldrin-see-a-ufo-hint-no/ https://www.skeptical-science.com/skeptic-news/did-buzz-aldr... [4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/04/10/buzz-aldrins-ufo-sighting-moon-missions-mystique-might-have-simple-explanation/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.bc5e3b8fde6c https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/04/10... [5] https://www.csicop.org/si/show/ufos_and_aliens_in_space https://www.csicop.org/si/show/ufos_and_aliens_in_space
- browsercoin 8y ago
  no not Buzz but he certainly did do a little more than hint there's something going on but he can't say it for obvious reasons. If you look at NASA streams they 'randomly' experience technical issues but it's widely observed that this typically happens when a UFO is detected. there's so much we don't know and are not being told but what is clear is this-extra terrestrials possess technology that far exceeds our own and possibly this dimension, and this scares the shit out of superpowers. It's supported by the fact that there is so much fake UFO with very real ones (ex. US Navy f-18 video) so you can't claim what is real and what isn't. Also this happened to USSR with their trip to the Phobos moon when the satellite all of sudden disappeared and there's captured photos showing what appears to be cylindrical objects. We can't send satellites there because they keep disappearing. The real theory as to why we haven't been back on the moon is because the extra terrestrials that are supposedly mining on the moon will not allow weaponization of space. I know this is shocking but it's the most logical conclusion following the various "technical difficulties" during the live coverage of the moon landing. 20 years ago nobody listened to the theory that the government is snooping on everyone because it was too out there. We have multiple witness accounts from credible backgrounds being demonized and outcasted as mentally ill. This is the greatest trick they pull. I mean look around, what has changed after Snowden? Absolutely nothing because there's fuck all we can do about it when everybody is focused on the carrot on the end of the stick.