4 ms·

Now if you log into a Google account, Chrome is logged into that same account as well. Also if you clear all cookies, cookies from Google aren't cleared. Some p

by zumbof 8y ago

Now if you log into a Google account, Chrome is logged into that same account as well. Also if you clear all cookies, cookies from Google aren't cleared. Some people (myself included) don't like that.

svat 8y ago
But this is only if you already have Chrome Sync ("logging in to Chrome") turned on and enabled, correct? Because I have a bunch of different Chrome profiles that I use for different purposes, and I don't see the ones that I use for particular Gmail accounts getting logged in to Chrome.
- daurnimator 8y ago
  (not a chrome user, but:) my understanding is that now if you log into google (e.g. a gmail account), you automatically get logged into chrome, including Chrome Sync.
  - kevingadd 8y ago
    Yes, you automatically get logged into chrome. Supposedly sync will not automatically be enabled, but if you ever enabled it in the past it will be turned back on for your chrome session as well. It's unclear what happens to old (pre-login) history and cookies when this happens.
  - tptacek 8y ago
    That is not at all my understanding. If you don't have sync enabled, nothing automatically enables sync. You have to go through a large confirmation dialog (with an "undo" button) to enable sync.
    - bigiain 8y ago
      Yet...</cynical mode>
      - macintux 8y ago
        You’re being downvoted, but this is exactly the concern that a sweeping change like this provokes. Who’s to say Google won’t decide that a lack of sync is a problem they can silently fix too?
        tptacek 8y ago
        Who's to say they aren't going to backdoor Chrome to pop a shell on your box next time you search Google? Who's to say Mozilla won't do the same?
        reitanqild 8y ago
        The devil has enough advocates. The turn on sync thing is already reported to be a dark pattern. Also see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18062082 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18062082
        tptacek 8y ago
        Yes, lots of people reported it to be a "dark pattern", but I'm very much with Nikita Borisov on this one: https://twitter.com/nikitab/status/1044314072706158593 https://twitter.com/nikitab/status/1044314072706158593 Meanwhile: whatever color you want to shade in the "pattern" with, this subthread starts with a claim that is falsifiable, and also actually false. So please don't pretend like I'm arguing from abstractions here.
        reitanqild 8y ago
        Thanks, I don't use Chrome that much (or at all if I an avoid it) so that's interesting. Still there are the claims of buybackoff that I linked above that options has been set without their consent. So it seems to me there's either a muddy pattern or they even are tweaking things on behalf of users whitout even asking? Edit: also this from the post we are discussing: > However, by clicking on “settings” I was unable to click “undo” - the user interface happily assumed that yes, in fact I wanted to first upload my data. And suddenly, instead of “Last time synced in 2017” I saw the following: “Last time synced on Today”.
  - sizzle 8y ago
    Yeah my account was signed in and syncing when, prior to the update, I explicitly turned off sync so that was alarming to me. I immediately turned off syncing and now I can't trust Google to obey my settings anymore. They randomly turn on syncing when I use Google voice assistant on my Android phone.
TheKarateKid 8y ago
> Also if you clear all cookies, cookies from Google aren't cleared. Wait, WHAT? Are you talking about locally or in sync? I don't believe Sync ever included cookies, and there's no indication on the Clear Browsing Data tool that Google cookies won't be cleared if "All Time" is selected.

by zumbof 8y ago

svat 8y ago

But this is only if you already have Chrome Sync ("logging in to Chrome") turned on and enabled, correct? Because I have a bunch of different Chrome profiles that I use for different purposes, and I don't see the ones that I use for particular Gmail accounts getting logged in to Chrome.

daurnimator 8y ago
(not a chrome user, but:) my understanding is that now if you log into google (e.g. a gmail account), you automatically get logged into chrome, including Chrome Sync.
- kevingadd 8y ago
  Yes, you automatically get logged into chrome. Supposedly sync will not automatically be enabled, but if you ever enabled it in the past it will be turned back on for your chrome session as well. It's unclear what happens to old (pre-login) history and cookies when this happens.
- tptacek 8y ago
  That is not at all my understanding. If you don't have sync enabled, nothing automatically enables sync. You have to go through a large confirmation dialog (with an "undo" button) to enable sync.
  - bigiain 8y ago
    Yet...</cynical mode>
    - macintux 8y ago
      You’re being downvoted, but this is exactly the concern that a sweeping change like this provokes. Who’s to say Google won’t decide that a lack of sync is a problem they can silently fix too?
      - tptacek 8y ago
        Who's to say they aren't going to backdoor Chrome to pop a shell on your box next time you search Google? Who's to say Mozilla won't do the same?
        reitanqild 8y ago
        The devil has enough advocates. The turn on sync thing is already reported to be a dark pattern. Also see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18062082 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18062082
        tptacek 8y ago
        Yes, lots of people reported it to be a "dark pattern", but I'm very much with Nikita Borisov on this one: https://twitter.com/nikitab/status/1044314072706158593 https://twitter.com/nikitab/status/1044314072706158593 Meanwhile: whatever color you want to shade in the "pattern" with, this subthread starts with a claim that is falsifiable, and also actually false. So please don't pretend like I'm arguing from abstractions here.
        reitanqild 8y ago
        Thanks, I don't use Chrome that much (or at all if I an avoid it) so that's interesting. Still there are the claims of buybackoff that I linked above that options has been set without their consent. So it seems to me there's either a muddy pattern or they even are tweaking things on behalf of users whitout even asking? Edit: also this from the post we are discussing: > However, by clicking on “settings” I was unable to click “undo” - the user interface happily assumed that yes, in fact I wanted to first upload my data. And suddenly, instead of “Last time synced in 2017” I saw the following: “Last time synced on Today”.
- sizzle 8y ago
  Yeah my account was signed in and syncing when, prior to the update, I explicitly turned off sync so that was alarming to me. I immediately turned off syncing and now I can't trust Google to obey my settings anymore. They randomly turn on syncing when I use Google voice assistant on my Android phone.

TheKarateKid 8y ago

> Also if you clear all cookies, cookies from Google aren't cleared. Wait, WHAT? Are you talking about locally or in sync? I don't believe Sync ever included cookies, and there's no indication on the Clear Browsing Data tool that Google cookies won't be cleared if "All Time" is selected.