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Please stop pretending your book is free, people can see right through it. Most people in this community consider personal information and user marketing as a f

Please stop pretending your book is free, people can see right through it. Most people in this community consider personal information and user marketing as a form of cost. Otherwise one can access it on Github, but it's not very convenient. I couldn't find "6.2.1. Is WeakMap Strictly Worse than Map" anywhere on your Github, other than in the screenshot. If you want the book, you will have to pay them one Tweet and several powers, most of which are not necessary: 1. Read Tweets from your timeline. 2. See who you follow, and follow new people. 3. Update your profile. 4. Post Tweets for you. 5. See your email address. You're asking for more information than you actually need, which is looked down upon. Why do you need to post tweets for me, update my profile, see who I follow and follow new people for me? This does not abide by the rule of least-privilege.

jacquesc 8y ago
Please stop pretending you deserve things for free. He provides the content on Github, which is more than he needs to. If you don't want to pay for it (either via social media promotion or just buying it), then don't read it and don't complain. The author is giving us options. So you don't like one of the options provided. Spare the outrage for important matters.
- anonytrary 8y ago
  > The book is publicly available in HTML format and free forever ... Read the free HTML version of the book on Pony Foo ... The free-to-read version of Mastering Modular JavaScript is ... free to read online ... A free-to-read version is available online ... Free to read! ... Marketing something as free that turns out to have strings attached is referred to as "asshole design". > He provides the content on Github, which is more than he needs to Respectfully, it's not more than he needs to. He said it was free, so if it's not, then that's considered dishonesty and is looked down upon.
  - bevacqua 8y ago
    Start reading: https://github.com/mjavascript/mastering-modular-javascript/blob/c906a28ab1ab541622bf9b01ff37a45613b2516d/chapters/ch01.asciidoc https://github.com/mjavascript/mastering-modular-javascript/...
    - anonytrary 8y ago
      Thanks again for link... I hope you realize I wasn't begging for a free copy or direct link; my main purpose for commenting was to give you some feedback on your marketing strategy. Best of luck.
bevacqua 8y ago
> Otherwise one can access it on Github, but it's not very convenient How come? > I couldn't find "6.2.1. Is WeakMap Strictly Worse than Map" anywhere on your Github, other than in the screenshot. Maybe that's because that heading belongs in an old revision of a previous book of mine, but in any case, here you go: https://github.com/mjavascript/practical-modern-javascript/blob/371a52b3e4662210b006e5f08be2c750c1d970a3/ch05.asciidoc#is-weakmap-a-worse-map https://github.com/mjavascript/practical-modern-javascript/b... > [Twitter perms] Twitter didn't offer any permissions granularity last time I checked, so that's just what they always request. You don't need to go through my website, just go to GitHub, purchase the book, or ignore my content.
- duopixel 8y ago
  Feedback: very interested on the topic of your book, but seeing the marketing tactics and your response to criticism seriously put me off. I’d rather support more agreeable authors. Content ignored indeed.
  - bevacqua 8y ago
    :wave:
- anonytrary 8y ago
  > How come [the Github version is not convenient]? You went through the trouble to create a "free" HTML version of it, so you already know the answer to that question. In any case, thanks for the link and thanks for posting your book to Github. Regarding the Twitter permissions, the last time you checked was too long ago. You are asking for read and write permissions when you only need read[0] permissions. Forcing people to market it on Twitter gives me the impression you aren't confident that people will share your book organically. Maybe you should just make the HTML version free like you said you would. You might even have more success in making people pay for the HTML version, compared to lying about it being free. I'm sure people would pay to read a beautified copy of the book, if it's any good. [0] https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/basics/authentication/overview/application-permission-model.html https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/basics/authentication/...
aymeric 8y ago
I can't believe you are complaining that the author is giving you an alternative to just paying. You can either read the book on github (thanks!) or have a better formatted version in exchange to some marketing technique. I think it is fair. This is an entrepreneurial community, we should rush to pay this author to support his efforts, rather than criticize his attempts to get something out of providing his work for free. Shame on you.
- tomnipotent 8y ago
  > This is an entrepreneurial community, we should rush to pay this author to support his efforts, rather than criticize his attempts to get something out of providing his work for free Criticism is part of the feedback process, even if you don't agree with it. No, we shouldn't just rush to pay him. We should evaluate his work and content as we could anyone that posts in "Show HN" - if you come here thinking you just get free marketing without the feedback part, then this is definitely the wrong community. Giving something way for free doesn't preclude you from feedback, especially when that "free" is just part of a larger marketing tactic for building a personal & professional brand.
ascorbic 8y ago
As you say, you can access it on GitHub for no charge with a Creative Commons licence. That's free by any definition. Alternatively you can pay cash for a physical copy or ebook, or pay with a tweet for prettier HTML. And yet you've still derailed the whole discussion with your complaint. You've dressed it up as "giving some feedback", but in the first sentence you're straight up accusing him of deception, which is not good faith, constructive comment that we expect on a Show HN.
- anonytrary 8y ago
  > That's free by any definition. To be pedantic, we're talking about the HTML version which was purported to be free. > You've dressed it up as "giving some feedback" but in the first sentence you're straight up accusing him of deception, which is not good faith, constructive comment You're free to disagree with me. The first sentence is not very constructive in and of itself, no. There are a few other sentences where I give a few reasons as to why I didn't take the bait. In summary, when I clicked through to the free HTML version, I hit a soft paywall asking me for many permissions, which caused me to leave the site. If I were building a marketing funnel, I'd like to know if people thought that way about it.

jacquesc 8y ago

Please stop pretending you deserve things for free. He provides the content on Github, which is more than he needs to. If you don't want to pay for it (either via social media promotion or just buying it), then don't read it and don't complain. The author is giving us options. So you don't like one of the options provided. Spare the outrage for important matters.

anonytrary 8y ago
> The book is publicly available in HTML format and free forever ... Read the free HTML version of the book on Pony Foo ... The free-to-read version of Mastering Modular JavaScript is ... free to read online ... A free-to-read version is available online ... Free to read! ... Marketing something as free that turns out to have strings attached is referred to as "asshole design". > He provides the content on Github, which is more than he needs to Respectfully, it's not more than he needs to. He said it was free, so if it's not, then that's considered dishonesty and is looked down upon.
- bevacqua 8y ago
  Start reading: https://github.com/mjavascript/mastering-modular-javascript/blob/c906a28ab1ab541622bf9b01ff37a45613b2516d/chapters/ch01.asciidoc https://github.com/mjavascript/mastering-modular-javascript/...
  - anonytrary 8y ago
    Thanks again for link... I hope you realize I wasn't begging for a free copy or direct link; my main purpose for commenting was to give you some feedback on your marketing strategy. Best of luck.

bevacqua 8y ago

> Otherwise one can access it on Github, but it's not very convenient How come? > I couldn't find "6.2.1. Is WeakMap Strictly Worse than Map" anywhere on your Github, other than in the screenshot. Maybe that's because that heading belongs in an old revision of a previous book of mine, but in any case, here you go: https://github.com/mjavascript/practical-modern-javascript/blob/371a52b3e4662210b006e5f08be2c750c1d970a3/ch05.asciidoc#is-weakmap-a-worse-map https://github.com/mjavascript/practical-modern-javascript/b... > [Twitter perms] Twitter didn't offer any permissions granularity last time I checked, so that's just what they always request. You don't need to go through my website, just go to GitHub, purchase the book, or ignore my content.

duopixel 8y ago
Feedback: very interested on the topic of your book, but seeing the marketing tactics and your response to criticism seriously put me off. I’d rather support more agreeable authors. Content ignored indeed.
- bevacqua 8y ago
  :wave:
anonytrary 8y ago
> How come [the Github version is not convenient]? You went through the trouble to create a "free" HTML version of it, so you already know the answer to that question. In any case, thanks for the link and thanks for posting your book to Github. Regarding the Twitter permissions, the last time you checked was too long ago. You are asking for read and write permissions when you only need read[0] permissions. Forcing people to market it on Twitter gives me the impression you aren't confident that people will share your book organically. Maybe you should just make the HTML version free like you said you would. You might even have more success in making people pay for the HTML version, compared to lying about it being free. I'm sure people would pay to read a beautified copy of the book, if it's any good. [0] https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/basics/authentication/overview/application-permission-model.html https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/basics/authentication/...

aymeric 8y ago

I can't believe you are complaining that the author is giving you an alternative to just paying. You can either read the book on github (thanks!) or have a better formatted version in exchange to some marketing technique. I think it is fair. This is an entrepreneurial community, we should rush to pay this author to support his efforts, rather than criticize his attempts to get something out of providing his work for free. Shame on you.

tomnipotent 8y ago
> This is an entrepreneurial community, we should rush to pay this author to support his efforts, rather than criticize his attempts to get something out of providing his work for free Criticism is part of the feedback process, even if you don't agree with it. No, we shouldn't just rush to pay him. We should evaluate his work and content as we could anyone that posts in "Show HN" - if you come here thinking you just get free marketing without the feedback part, then this is definitely the wrong community. Giving something way for free doesn't preclude you from feedback, especially when that "free" is just part of a larger marketing tactic for building a personal & professional brand.

ascorbic 8y ago

As you say, you can access it on GitHub for no charge with a Creative Commons licence. That's free by any definition. Alternatively you can pay cash for a physical copy or ebook, or pay with a tweet for prettier HTML. And yet you've still derailed the whole discussion with your complaint. You've dressed it up as "giving some feedback", but in the first sentence you're straight up accusing him of deception, which is not good faith, constructive comment that we expect on a Show HN.

anonytrary 8y ago
> That's free by any definition. To be pedantic, we're talking about the HTML version which was purported to be free. > You've dressed it up as "giving some feedback" but in the first sentence you're straight up accusing him of deception, which is not good faith, constructive comment You're free to disagree with me. The first sentence is not very constructive in and of itself, no. There are a few other sentences where I give a few reasons as to why I didn't take the bait. In summary, when I clicked through to the free HTML version, I hit a soft paywall asking me for many permissions, which caused me to leave the site. If I were building a marketing funnel, I'd like to know if people thought that way about it.