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I had a big fight with the other co-founders of a company regarding work hours a while back. Most programmers hit something like up to four "good" hours per wor
by runj__ 8y ago
I had a big fight with the other co-founders of a company regarding work hours a while back. Most programmers hit something like up to four "good" hours per workday, the biggest problem is capturing those hours while they're at work. A separate problem is hitting those hours while they have access to their manager or colleagues that can help them overcome small but time consuming problems.
I'd like to think that programmers have a creative or even artistic occupation (personally I'm more manager than programmer these days). Forcing something creative out is rarely good or even possible. The majority of the employees in my organization are in sales. There's a limit to where you can push that for most people too, but it is a different kind of limit.
Personally I've only put in proper 80-hour work weeks something like three times working as a disillusioned startup "employee" or as a consultant in extreme crunch because of launch marketing costs. Sure, something is deployed and it you certainly feel a sense of accomplishment but it's not something that should be used by any serious company expecting people to stay longer than a year or two.
With that said: people checking/answering their email or checking error logs at odd hours "for free" really do bring value to a company though.
- ghaff 8y ago<With that said: people checking/answering their email or checking error logs at odd hours "for free" really do bring value to a company though. I don't think of myself as having trouble with work/personal separation. I like my vacations, try to enjoy work trips, and don't feel obliged to work into the night. That said, I tend to scan my email when on vacation or if I'm watching TV at night and, if there's something I can deal with in a few minutes or at least flag as "I'll get back to you next week," why not?
- ryandrake 8y agoWhy not? Because you’re on vacation! That’s a good enough reason for me.
- ghaff 8y agoI don't feel an obligation. But if I can make someone else's life easier with minimal investment on my part. Why not?
- runj__ 8y agoEven just forwarding an email or direct messaging "hey, [edge case person who seems reliable in not bothering people in cases where it's not warranted] is having trouble with this service." is usually enough. I get that time outside work belong to the employee but people who can be even the slightest bit flexible with that have an inherent extra value.