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Look at what consequences the introduction of this Coc in other project had: witch hunts. for example: https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/26/sex-and-gor-and-open-s

Look at what consequences the introduction of this Coc in other project had: witch hunts. for example: https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/26/sex-and-gor-and-open-source/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/26/sex-and-gor-and-open-sourc... Or the example provided in the posted article where Sage Sharp call for banning theodore ts'o based on this Coc while breaking said CoC in the process.

KirinDave 8y ago
So: you're not gonna answer the question. Just relate finding out a dude was abusing his position in the Drupal project to use their conference facilities for Gorean promotional efforts? Calling that a "witch hunt" is ridiculous. Maybe he should have kept his personal life out of his work like ya'll say you do.
- smsm42 8y ago
  That's exactly what Drupal maintainer in question was doing. People have worked with him for years and didn't have a tiniest idea about his personal life (as it should have properly been). Until somebody got a beef with him and decided to make his personal life a public issue. So no, "he should have kept his personal life out of his work" doesn't work. You also probably know this exactly argument had been used numerous time to persecute gay and trans-gender people if they revealed (or had been revealed) as such. So hearing it in this context is especially strange.
  - KirinDave 8y ago
    > That's exactly what Drupal maintainer in question was doing. People have worked with him for years and didn't have a tiniest idea about his personal life (as it should have properly been). Until somebody got a beef with him and decided to make his personal life a public issue. A lovely rewriting of history. There were harassment complaints that kicked the whole thing off. What's more, he was presenting this stuff in public at Drupal events as a representative of Drupal. So double no. It wasn't some kinkshaming whim. > You also probably know this exactly argument had been used numerous time to persecute gay and trans-gender people Please kindly drop that horseshit down the caldera of a volcano. It's an absurd category error that even you surely see through.
    - smsm42 8y ago
      > There were harassment complaints that kicked the whole thing off. Nope, what kicked the whole thing off is somebody found his profile on a thematic forum, got offended by a years-old post they misunderstood, and complained to the CWG Committee. Which found no fault. Then Klaus Purer started a personal harassment campaign against him. Which became public and when CWG declined to punish him for having a private life, was escalated to public hounding that eventually led to Dries Buytaert and others kicking him out. He never harassed anyone. If you don't believe me, here's example of press coverage: https://www.inc.com/sonya-mann/drupal-larry-garfield-gor.html https://www.inc.com/sonya-mann/drupal-larry-garfield-gor.htm... " although no one has made any specific allegations of abuse, and in fact many women have come forward to defend Garfield." https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/26/sex-and-gor-and-open-source/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/26/sex-and-gor-and-open-sourc... "It’s worth noting that a handful of women who worked with Larry did not report harassment or abuse from him in the workplace. We can’t know for sure if he committed offenses, but if there were allegations or even rumors of his mistreatment of women we would be having a very different conversation right now" So, not even harassment allegations, let alone confirmed violations, and his only fault was his private life and "belief system" (which was also wildly misrepresented). > he was presenting this stuff in public at Drupal events as a representative of Drupal. He was not presenting anything besides tech content "as a representative of Drupal". If you have a private life, you are not allowed to be a representative of anything? Nothing in the presentations had a relationship to the private life (which was kept private). But even if something had some connection: imagine somebody were gay and wore a rainbow T-shirt to a conference and were removed from both the conference and the community because they "didn't keep their private life private"? You would be outraged. Yet you seem to support same treatment for somebody who is a member of a different minority, for the sole reason of being in that minority, and somehow it's OK for you. > Please kindly drop that horseshit down the caldera of a volcano. It's an absurd category error that even you surely see through. Nope, and no amount of swearing will mask complete lack of argument on your side here. In fact, if anything, it would highlight it - if you could say anything sensical about how "keep your gay to yourself or we'll fire you" is different from "keep your kink to yourself or we'll fire you", you'd say it. But there's nothing sensical that could be said about it, because there's no difference. So you resort to swearing. Swear away, I am not offended, I am delighted by this demonstration.

KirinDave 8y ago

So: you're not gonna answer the question. Just relate finding out a dude was abusing his position in the Drupal project to use their conference facilities for Gorean promotional efforts? Calling that a "witch hunt" is ridiculous. Maybe he should have kept his personal life out of his work like ya'll say you do.

smsm42 8y ago
That's exactly what Drupal maintainer in question was doing. People have worked with him for years and didn't have a tiniest idea about his personal life (as it should have properly been). Until somebody got a beef with him and decided to make his personal life a public issue. So no, "he should have kept his personal life out of his work" doesn't work. You also probably know this exactly argument had been used numerous time to persecute gay and trans-gender people if they revealed (or had been revealed) as such. So hearing it in this context is especially strange.
- KirinDave 8y ago
  > That's exactly what Drupal maintainer in question was doing. People have worked with him for years and didn't have a tiniest idea about his personal life (as it should have properly been). Until somebody got a beef with him and decided to make his personal life a public issue. A lovely rewriting of history. There were harassment complaints that kicked the whole thing off. What's more, he was presenting this stuff in public at Drupal events as a representative of Drupal. So double no. It wasn't some kinkshaming whim. > You also probably know this exactly argument had been used numerous time to persecute gay and trans-gender people Please kindly drop that horseshit down the caldera of a volcano. It's an absurd category error that even you surely see through.
  - smsm42 8y ago
    > There were harassment complaints that kicked the whole thing off. Nope, what kicked the whole thing off is somebody found his profile on a thematic forum, got offended by a years-old post they misunderstood, and complained to the CWG Committee. Which found no fault. Then Klaus Purer started a personal harassment campaign against him. Which became public and when CWG declined to punish him for having a private life, was escalated to public hounding that eventually led to Dries Buytaert and others kicking him out. He never harassed anyone. If you don't believe me, here's example of press coverage: https://www.inc.com/sonya-mann/drupal-larry-garfield-gor.html https://www.inc.com/sonya-mann/drupal-larry-garfield-gor.htm... " although no one has made any specific allegations of abuse, and in fact many women have come forward to defend Garfield." https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/26/sex-and-gor-and-open-source/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/26/sex-and-gor-and-open-sourc... "It’s worth noting that a handful of women who worked with Larry did not report harassment or abuse from him in the workplace. We can’t know for sure if he committed offenses, but if there were allegations or even rumors of his mistreatment of women we would be having a very different conversation right now" So, not even harassment allegations, let alone confirmed violations, and his only fault was his private life and "belief system" (which was also wildly misrepresented). > he was presenting this stuff in public at Drupal events as a representative of Drupal. He was not presenting anything besides tech content "as a representative of Drupal". If you have a private life, you are not allowed to be a representative of anything? Nothing in the presentations had a relationship to the private life (which was kept private). But even if something had some connection: imagine somebody were gay and wore a rainbow T-shirt to a conference and were removed from both the conference and the community because they "didn't keep their private life private"? You would be outraged. Yet you seem to support same treatment for somebody who is a member of a different minority, for the sole reason of being in that minority, and somehow it's OK for you. > Please kindly drop that horseshit down the caldera of a volcano. It's an absurd category error that even you surely see through. Nope, and no amount of swearing will mask complete lack of argument on your side here. In fact, if anything, it would highlight it - if you could say anything sensical about how "keep your gay to yourself or we'll fire you" is different from "keep your kink to yourself or we'll fire you", you'd say it. But there's nothing sensical that could be said about it, because there's no difference. So you resort to swearing. Swear away, I am not offended, I am delighted by this demonstration.