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And what about humans? You are rarely writing code for computers, but for humans. Many companies optimize code for readability. And there is a reason. Usually m

And what about humans? You are rarely writing code for computers, but for humans. Many companies optimize code for readability. And there is a reason. Usually multiple people are working on the same code at the same time, or over time at least. It is the compiler's job to translate the code to computers language which can be imperative, I would still prefer the human side functional and declarative. Maybe it is just me. I have struggled with the concepts of Java for a long time, especially with the many keywords that I cannot relate to, private, final, static, void while I understood majority of Clojure at the first glance. I could not write Java without an IDE but more than happy to develop Clojure with VI. It appears to me that we overcomplicate things for no good reason and underestimate the power of simplicity.

Retric 8y ago
Education is there to teach you. I don’t think everyone will use SQL or ASM for example, but IMO every CS program needs to have at least one class covering each of them in depth for at least a few weeks. Procedural code is even more central, and should be covered in depth.
ChristianGeek 8y ago
“I don’t understand it, therefore it is inferior.” I currently program for a living with Java. It clicked with me the moment I first learned it. (It was also my first introduction to OOP.) Right now I’m struggling to learn the nuances of functional programming with both Scala and Haskell. Do I consider functional programming, Scala, or Haskell inferior because they’re not as straightforward for me as Java (or C#, or C, or even ASM) was? Of course not.
jtms 8y ago
To be fair, almost no one can (or should) write java without an IDE. IntelliJ + ideaVIM has been a great compromise for me as a long long time VIM user. I know I am not responding to your main point (of which I am sympathetic) but I figured I'd throw it out there anyway

Retric 8y ago

Education is there to teach you. I don’t think everyone will use SQL or ASM for example, but IMO every CS program needs to have at least one class covering each of them in depth for at least a few weeks. Procedural code is even more central, and should be covered in depth.

ChristianGeek 8y ago

“I don’t understand it, therefore it is inferior.” I currently program for a living with Java. It clicked with me the moment I first learned it. (It was also my first introduction to OOP.) Right now I’m struggling to learn the nuances of functional programming with both Scala and Haskell. Do I consider functional programming, Scala, or Haskell inferior because they’re not as straightforward for me as Java (or C#, or C, or even ASM) was? Of course not.

jtms 8y ago

To be fair, almost no one can (or should) write java without an IDE. IntelliJ + ideaVIM has been a great compromise for me as a long long time VIM user. I know I am not responding to your main point (of which I am sympathetic) but I figured I'd throw it out there anyway