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if you read his post again, you will see he never said that he wants to treat people unprofessionally. he sees the CoC as a tool to push identity politics in a

if you read his post again, you will see he never said that he wants to treat people unprofessionally. he sees the CoC as a tool to push identity politics in a community thats based on merit.

KirinDave 8y ago
And that's his read on it. I think it's objectively wrong. If someone wanted to use a CoC to do that, you'd write a very different CoC. This one is so soft-touch it barely does anything other than say, "Keep it SFW, kids!"
- jaxtellerSoA 8y ago
  >"Keep it SFW, kids!" Coders aren't children, which is is why CoC is useless.
liftbigweights 8y ago
Of course. CoCs/etc have been used by the extremist leftists to push identity politics everywhere. It's their tool to bully and attack people they disagree with. No difference than the bible/etc is a tool used by extremists to bully and attack people. They don't want professionalism, they want a tool to attack people with. Linux, internet, etc has been around for decades and working fine. All of a sudden a bunch of extremists are trying to destroy it just for their own political agenda.
- KirinDave 8y ago
  Maybe consider some other community less dedicated to classical liberal ideals to contribute your software to, Mr. BigWeights. Maybe Vulkan or OpenGL. Oh wait; they're putting a basic CoC over those projects too. Perhaps there are local State Surveillance projects you'd be happy to contribute to?
  - smsm42 8y ago
    A: We are all for inclusion and being welcoming and professional! That's what the CoC is about and only that! B: But the behavior of some most active CoC proponents is not exactly welcoming and professional, are you sure that's what you are about? A: GTFO, maybe there are some spy agencies that agree to take a deplorable like you. We certainly don't want your kind here. B: Sigh.
    - cannabis_sam 8y ago
      A: <reasonable statement> B: <unsubstatiated allegation> A: <reasonable dismissal> B: <cries of oppression>
    - KirinDave 8y ago
      B: But the behavior of some most active CoC proponents is not exactly welcoming and professional, are you sure that's what you are about? A: Arguing that a CoC should be welcoming to the behavioral abuses it is trying to protect is sophistry no one should feel the need to engage with honestly. It's as absurd as those, "To be tolerant you must be tolerant of intolerance" arguments that people raise as if they're credible or novel. We also laugh at those. B: Sigh.
      - smsm42 8y ago
        > Arguing that a CoC should be welcoming to the behavioral abuses Nobody argues that. What is being argued that a) proponents of the CoC seem to be prone themselves to behavioral abuses, yet let themselves off the hook because they are on the Light Side, so it's ok for them; and b) people (often the very same people) use CoC to argue that disagreement on any political topic represents "behavioral abuse", since they feel very bad if somebody disagrees with them, so it's virtually the same as physical violence. Since there's no objective definition of "behavioral abuse", and the people in question are holding the reins, other people who might disagree with them, eventually, feel like they are getting the bad end of the deal here.
Double_a_92 8y ago
Of course it's about identity politics. Why else would the need to clarify "everyone" with a limited list of specific characteristics? The word is literally EVERYONE... How is that not inclusive enough?

if you read his post again, you will see he never said that he wants to treat people unprofessionally. he sees the CoC as a tool to push identity politics in a community thats based on merit.

KirinDave 8y ago

And that's his read on it. I think it's objectively wrong. If someone wanted to use a CoC to do that, you'd write a very different CoC. This one is so soft-touch it barely does anything other than say, "Keep it SFW, kids!"

jaxtellerSoA 8y ago
>"Keep it SFW, kids!" Coders aren't children, which is is why CoC is useless.

liftbigweights 8y ago

Of course. CoCs/etc have been used by the extremist leftists to push identity politics everywhere. It's their tool to bully and attack people they disagree with. No difference than the bible/etc is a tool used by extremists to bully and attack people. They don't want professionalism, they want a tool to attack people with. Linux, internet, etc has been around for decades and working fine. All of a sudden a bunch of extremists are trying to destroy it just for their own political agenda.

KirinDave 8y ago
Maybe consider some other community less dedicated to classical liberal ideals to contribute your software to, Mr. BigWeights. Maybe Vulkan or OpenGL. Oh wait; they're putting a basic CoC over those projects too. Perhaps there are local State Surveillance projects you'd be happy to contribute to?
- smsm42 8y ago
  A: We are all for inclusion and being welcoming and professional! That's what the CoC is about and only that! B: But the behavior of some most active CoC proponents is not exactly welcoming and professional, are you sure that's what you are about? A: GTFO, maybe there are some spy agencies that agree to take a deplorable like you. We certainly don't want your kind here. B: Sigh.
  - cannabis_sam 8y ago
    A: <reasonable statement> B: <unsubstatiated allegation> A: <reasonable dismissal> B: <cries of oppression>
  - KirinDave 8y ago
    B: But the behavior of some most active CoC proponents is not exactly welcoming and professional, are you sure that's what you are about? A: Arguing that a CoC should be welcoming to the behavioral abuses it is trying to protect is sophistry no one should feel the need to engage with honestly. It's as absurd as those, "To be tolerant you must be tolerant of intolerance" arguments that people raise as if they're credible or novel. We also laugh at those. B: Sigh.
    - smsm42 8y ago
      > Arguing that a CoC should be welcoming to the behavioral abuses Nobody argues that. What is being argued that a) proponents of the CoC seem to be prone themselves to behavioral abuses, yet let themselves off the hook because they are on the Light Side, so it's ok for them; and b) people (often the very same people) use CoC to argue that disagreement on any political topic represents "behavioral abuse", since they feel very bad if somebody disagrees with them, so it's virtually the same as physical violence. Since there's no objective definition of "behavioral abuse", and the people in question are holding the reins, other people who might disagree with them, eventually, feel like they are getting the bad end of the deal here.

Double_a_92 8y ago

Of course it's about identity politics. Why else would the need to clarify "everyone" with a limited list of specific characteristics? The word is literally EVERYONE... How is that not inclusive enough?