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The alt-right, seriously?

confounded 8y ago
Take a look at the rest of the stories on lulz.com It appears to be a right-wing outrage machine about black celebrities and feminists, targeted at young white North American men.
AdmiralAsshat 8y ago
The email in question appears to originate from someone whose domain is "@redchan..." So, I'd say it's not inconceivable that the guy is alt-right.
- huntie 8y ago
  It's not their website, redchan.it is one of many domains used by a free email service.
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jayess 8y ago
Maybe we could throw Russia into the mix too.
- monksy 8y ago
  Why would Russia get involved in this? The audience of this is tiny. Their reputation for involvement tends to target nations.
- KirinDave 8y ago
  Or maybe the folks involved literally self-identify in that group and you're just not examining that possibility?
draw_down 8y ago
Yes?
codemac 8y ago
FTA: > unconditionedwitness@redchan I'm not sure what I define redchan as, but alt-right isn't a crazy description to me.
- huntie 8y ago
  Redchan isn't a website, it's just a funny domain that's used for a free email service at https://cock.li https://cock.li
  - AdmiralAsshat 8y ago
    Except that Redchan is also a popular board within 8chan, and that is most likely what the domain refers to.
    - huntie 8y ago
      I didn't know that it was a board but it makes sense considering cock.li started on 4chan. Nonetheless, it's still just a free email service and using it certainly does not imply that you are 'alt-right' or whatever boogeyman. I myself use cock.li when I need a throwaway email as it's funded through donations and has easy registration.
      - AdmiralAsshat 8y ago
        Certainly I don't want to make this an ad-hominem based strictly on the domain name. I'm basing this off content he has written elsewhere in the Mailing List thread. Such as: https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/24/1497 https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/24/1497 "You must respect women who do NOTHING for you and even NOTHING for anyone else except exist as a USELESS physical entity (females who are not sweet young brides for men or mothers and just consume are not useful for anyone other than themselves: the purpose of females is to create more human beings and to bring happiness and pleasures to men: they are superfluous in any other capacity, as a class)... who rules over you ... or else you are punished. You slaved away writing the code. When they feel they don't need you anymore they seek to tear you down. You have a remedy: Recind the grant. You did NOT sign away your OWNERSHIP of the code you wrote. The anglo-american belief system is that males are to be slaves of women and their masters. This belief system is now being imposed on even hobbies like gratis software development. They wish to give men no refuge, no place to build something outside the eye of the middle-class ("white" or english) woman. To keep men checked and obedient at all time in all things." --- Now in hindsight, maybe the use of the term "anglo-american" should suggest that the author is not, himself, American, and so perhaps alt-right would not be the best term.
sagichmal 8y ago
If you have a better umbrella term for the cretins who think "Social Justice Warrior" is an epithet, I think we'd all be fine with using it instead. Until then, it seems to me that the alt-right is a reasonable proxy.
- elisaado 8y ago
  "The mainstream public", there you go :)
- rajaganesh87 8y ago
  There is no need for an umbrella term in first place. Your argument makes no sense
- ArchTypical 8y ago
  If you oppose a group, it's just as wrong to automagically get labeled "the other group" the first group finds most revolting.
  - bigbugbag 8y ago
    the minute you separate people into groups even on false criteria, you discriminate against the group you do not belong to. there's an episode of you are not smart about this: https://youarenotsosmart.com/2018/02/26/yanss-122-how-our-unchecked-tribal-psychology-pollutes-politics-science-and-just-about-everything-else/ https://youarenotsosmart.com/2018/02/26/yanss-122-how-our-un...
- deleted 8y ago
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- how_to_bake 8y ago
  “Alt Right” is a label that is meant to conjure imagery of Nazis. And “Nazi” is a label applied to all straight, white, men[1] that do not submit to the Marxist system. Both terms are interchangeable really. [1]: There are many outside of this description that are called Nazi and Alt Right as well. This even includes the Dalai Lama now https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dalai-lama-europe-refugee-crisis-immigration-eu-racism-tibet-buddhist-a8537221.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dalai-lama-e...
newnewpdro 8y ago
There's no reliable means of separating 4chan trolls from the alt-right, gamer, or any other online communites. There's some amount of overlap, it's all ambiguous, and that's constantly being exploited by one side or another to further whatever agenda they have. What horrifies me is how utterly incompetent the media is at recognizing trolling. They simply regurgitate whatever gets presented to them by supposed members of "anonymous" or the "alt-right" etc. I'm convinced the majority of this noise is just 4chan nerds trolling the media and watching the results for the lulz. But the media empowers it all to have actual consequences in reality. Quality of journalism has gone completely down the tubes. And I don't mean in the "fake news" fabricated by journalists sense, I mean in their plain incompetence and being used as puppets to validate the nonsense they report on by ... reporting everything as-given. Nothing seems to be investigated correctly prior to reporting it anymore.

Take a look at the rest of the stories on lulz.com It appears to be a right-wing outrage machine about black celebrities and feminists, targeted at young white North American men.

AdmiralAsshat 8y ago

The email in question appears to originate from someone whose domain is "@redchan..." So, I'd say it's not inconceivable that the guy is alt-right.

huntie 8y ago
It's not their website, redchan.it is one of many domains used by a free email service.

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jayess 8y ago

Maybe we could throw Russia into the mix too.

monksy 8y ago
Why would Russia get involved in this? The audience of this is tiny. Their reputation for involvement tends to target nations.
KirinDave 8y ago
Or maybe the folks involved literally self-identify in that group and you're just not examining that possibility?

draw_down 8y ago

Yes?

codemac 8y ago

FTA: > unconditionedwitness@redchan I'm not sure what I define redchan as, but alt-right isn't a crazy description to me.

huntie 8y ago
Redchan isn't a website, it's just a funny domain that's used for a free email service at https://cock.li https://cock.li
- AdmiralAsshat 8y ago
  Except that Redchan is also a popular board within 8chan, and that is most likely what the domain refers to.
  - huntie 8y ago
    I didn't know that it was a board but it makes sense considering cock.li started on 4chan. Nonetheless, it's still just a free email service and using it certainly does not imply that you are 'alt-right' or whatever boogeyman. I myself use cock.li when I need a throwaway email as it's funded through donations and has easy registration.
    - AdmiralAsshat 8y ago
      Certainly I don't want to make this an ad-hominem based strictly on the domain name. I'm basing this off content he has written elsewhere in the Mailing List thread. Such as: https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/24/1497 https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/24/1497 "You must respect women who do NOTHING for you and even NOTHING for anyone else except exist as a USELESS physical entity (females who are not sweet young brides for men or mothers and just consume are not useful for anyone other than themselves: the purpose of females is to create more human beings and to bring happiness and pleasures to men: they are superfluous in any other capacity, as a class)... who rules over you ... or else you are punished. You slaved away writing the code. When they feel they don't need you anymore they seek to tear you down. You have a remedy: Recind the grant. You did NOT sign away your OWNERSHIP of the code you wrote. The anglo-american belief system is that males are to be slaves of women and their masters. This belief system is now being imposed on even hobbies like gratis software development. They wish to give men no refuge, no place to build something outside the eye of the middle-class ("white" or english) woman. To keep men checked and obedient at all time in all things." --- Now in hindsight, maybe the use of the term "anglo-american" should suggest that the author is not, himself, American, and so perhaps alt-right would not be the best term.

sagichmal 8y ago

If you have a better umbrella term for the cretins who think "Social Justice Warrior" is an epithet, I think we'd all be fine with using it instead. Until then, it seems to me that the alt-right is a reasonable proxy.

elisaado 8y ago
"The mainstream public", there you go :)
rajaganesh87 8y ago
There is no need for an umbrella term in first place. Your argument makes no sense
ArchTypical 8y ago
If you oppose a group, it's just as wrong to automagically get labeled "the other group" the first group finds most revolting.
- bigbugbag 8y ago
  the minute you separate people into groups even on false criteria, you discriminate against the group you do not belong to. there's an episode of you are not smart about this: https://youarenotsosmart.com/2018/02/26/yanss-122-how-our-unchecked-tribal-psychology-pollutes-politics-science-and-just-about-everything-else/ https://youarenotsosmart.com/2018/02/26/yanss-122-how-our-un...
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how_to_bake 8y ago
“Alt Right” is a label that is meant to conjure imagery of Nazis. And “Nazi” is a label applied to all straight, white, men[1] that do not submit to the Marxist system. Both terms are interchangeable really. [1]: There are many outside of this description that are called Nazi and Alt Right as well. This even includes the Dalai Lama now https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dalai-lama-europe-refugee-crisis-immigration-eu-racism-tibet-buddhist-a8537221.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dalai-lama-e...

newnewpdro 8y ago

There's no reliable means of separating 4chan trolls from the alt-right, gamer, or any other online communites. There's some amount of overlap, it's all ambiguous, and that's constantly being exploited by one side or another to further whatever agenda they have. What horrifies me is how utterly incompetent the media is at recognizing trolling. They simply regurgitate whatever gets presented to them by supposed members of "anonymous" or the "alt-right" etc. I'm convinced the majority of this noise is just 4chan nerds trolling the media and watching the results for the lulz. But the media empowers it all to have actual consequences in reality. Quality of journalism has gone completely down the tubes. And I don't mean in the "fake news" fabricated by journalists sense, I mean in their plain incompetence and being used as puppets to validate the nonsense they report on by ... reporting everything as-given. Nothing seems to be investigated correctly prior to reporting it anymore.