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Still using El Capitan on my iMac. Should I upgrade directly to Mojave, or wait a bit?

by butz 8y ago

yasp 8y ago
Also still using El Capitan, and wondering the same.
IBM 8y ago
The rule has always been to wait for the first point update.
dexterbt1 8y ago
Same boat. I'm still on Sierra and still have concerns as a colleague on High Sierra almost hosed his system with APFS. Any stability issues on the new file system?
- chrisfinazzo 8y ago
  It's been mostly fine on High Sierra, but I did have one instance where my inodes went wonky. Had to restore from backups as Disk Utility couldn't do anything with it. HFS+ was terrible, but at least I knew most of the ways in which it was terrible.
  - dreamcompiler 8y ago
    People bitch and moan about HFS+ but I've never found anything particularly objectionable about it, even after writing several filesystem utilities on top of it. I've always found Spotlight to be utter garbage, but that's not the fault of HFS+.
    - chrisfinazzo 8y ago
      OK, so you're not just spewing nonsense, but it bears repeating that the internals of HFS+ were horribly dated towards the end of its life. This prevented them from adding features or fixing bugs in a way that would be forward looking. The system requirements for HFS and HFS+ reflected this and partially explain why there was little progress for literally years at a time. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7/12/#hfs-problems https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7/12/#hf... Eventually, you have to start over.
      - dreamcompiler 8y ago
        Fair enough; thanks for educating me.
iagooar 8y ago
Wait a bit more and you can buy a new iMac directly!
nicky0 8y ago
Wait.
chrisfinazzo 8y ago
I'm on High Sierra, but still waiting as I have huge issues with deprecating the old Safari Extensions API. I really don't want everything to be an app, and the uninstall procedure on the Mac has always felt weird - coming from Windows - so I'm thinking about how I could run Safari with no extensions and instead use equivalents in Chrome to compensate.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  > don't want everything to be an app, and the uninstall procedure on the Mac has always felt weird Drag the app to the trash?
  - jedieaston 8y ago
    You really have to run something like AppCleaner because just about every vendor throws files around in /Library and ~/Library, which aren't deleted with the bundle being put in the trash.
    - ztjio 8y ago
      This is no different from any other OS
    - kstrauser 8y ago
      Does that actually matter in practice? I don't remember the last time those files actually caused problems, other than the fact that they take non-zero disk space.
      - chrisfinazzo 8y ago
        The same behavior may be present on Windows for all I know. I've used Win7 a handful of times and Win 10 once or twice, so I don't have a good handle on how the Registry deals with uninstalls these days. My complaints re disk space are mostly still around because SSD prices are still not cheap compared to spinning disks. For example, I went from 80 GB (2005 Dell Latitude) to 120 GB (2007 MBP) to 256 GB (2013 MBP). Desktop drives at the time were probably triple to quadruple the storage at half the price, so it's still an issue. To migrate everything to an SSD in my next machine will take somewhere between 1-2 TB, and last I checked, the 1 TB option on a MacBook Pro was $600.
PascLeRasc 8y ago
Are you on an SSD? APFS is more efficient than HFS+, and I expect eventually some core apps you use will require an update (though this is dumb). I can't use Davinci Resolve on my '07 Mac Pro anymore because it requires 10.12.

Still using El Capitan on my iMac. Should I upgrade directly to Mojave, or wait a bit?

by butz 8y ago

Still using El Capitan on my iMac. Should I upgrade directly to Mojave, or wait a bit?

yasp 8y ago

Also still using El Capitan, and wondering the same.

IBM 8y ago

The rule has always been to wait for the first point update.

dexterbt1 8y ago

Same boat. I'm still on Sierra and still have concerns as a colleague on High Sierra almost hosed his system with APFS. Any stability issues on the new file system?

chrisfinazzo 8y ago
It's been mostly fine on High Sierra, but I did have one instance where my inodes went wonky. Had to restore from backups as Disk Utility couldn't do anything with it. HFS+ was terrible, but at least I knew most of the ways in which it was terrible.
- dreamcompiler 8y ago
  People bitch and moan about HFS+ but I've never found anything particularly objectionable about it, even after writing several filesystem utilities on top of it. I've always found Spotlight to be utter garbage, but that's not the fault of HFS+.
  - chrisfinazzo 8y ago
    OK, so you're not just spewing nonsense, but it bears repeating that the internals of HFS+ were horribly dated towards the end of its life. This prevented them from adding features or fixing bugs in a way that would be forward looking. The system requirements for HFS and HFS+ reflected this and partially explain why there was little progress for literally years at a time. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7/12/#hfs-problems https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7/12/#hf... Eventually, you have to start over.
    - dreamcompiler 8y ago
      Fair enough; thanks for educating me.

iagooar 8y ago

Wait a bit more and you can buy a new iMac directly!

nicky0 8y ago

Wait.

chrisfinazzo 8y ago

I'm on High Sierra, but still waiting as I have huge issues with deprecating the old Safari Extensions API. I really don't want everything to be an app, and the uninstall procedure on the Mac has always felt weird - coming from Windows - so I'm thinking about how I could run Safari with no extensions and instead use equivalents in Chrome to compensate.

saagarjha 8y ago
> don't want everything to be an app, and the uninstall procedure on the Mac has always felt weird Drag the app to the trash?
- jedieaston 8y ago
  You really have to run something like AppCleaner because just about every vendor throws files around in /Library and ~/Library, which aren't deleted with the bundle being put in the trash.
  - ztjio 8y ago
    This is no different from any other OS
  - kstrauser 8y ago
    Does that actually matter in practice? I don't remember the last time those files actually caused problems, other than the fact that they take non-zero disk space.
    - chrisfinazzo 8y ago
      The same behavior may be present on Windows for all I know. I've used Win7 a handful of times and Win 10 once or twice, so I don't have a good handle on how the Registry deals with uninstalls these days. My complaints re disk space are mostly still around because SSD prices are still not cheap compared to spinning disks. For example, I went from 80 GB (2005 Dell Latitude) to 120 GB (2007 MBP) to 256 GB (2013 MBP). Desktop drives at the time were probably triple to quadruple the storage at half the price, so it's still an issue. To migrate everything to an SSD in my next machine will take somewhere between 1-2 TB, and last I checked, the 1 TB option on a MacBook Pro was $600.

PascLeRasc 8y ago

Are you on an SSD? APFS is more efficient than HFS+, and I expect eventually some core apps you use will require an update (though this is dumb). I can't use Davinci Resolve on my '07 Mac Pro anymore because it requires 10.12.