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Yes, in some cases. Like thermostats. I've read about Nest thermostat crash on loss of Internet connection which result in dangerous temperature loss in infant

Yes, in some cases. Like thermostats. I've read about Nest thermostat crash on loss of Internet connection which result in dangerous temperature loss in infants room. We can make those thinks more robust for years, but it does not have an app and does not make so much money. Food supply was original comment. Most people do not have food for week. (I compare it to always stocked pantry of my grandparents). Any small - one week - disruption can result in big problems for some. But we are moving to hi-tech just in time system everywhere, which are dependent on Internet, GPS, advanced forecasting etc. Those systems can be for example hacked and not functional for days. I don't care about Amazon delivery being late.

lotsofpulp 8y ago
The dangerous temperature loss from a Nest thermostat crash sounds like hyperbole.
- eivarv 8y ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/fashion/nest-thermostat-glitch-battery-dies-software-freeze.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/fashion/nest-thermostat-g...
  - lotsofpulp 8y ago
    That's what I mean, 64 degrees isn't the end of the world. And for the few hours of the night an infant sleeps, it's the same issue as if the power/gas were to go out.
    - megamindbrian2 8y ago
      How about in Arizona where it is 120. Too hot could kill someone easily.
      - lotsofpulp 8y ago
        A power outage results in the same thing. Someone so incapacitated that they can't move from a place that's getting too hot (such as a baby or the infirm) aren't probably left alone for long enough for the temp to reach extremes in the first place, and if they are, then that's the actual "dangerous" problem, not the thermostat. I'm disagreeing with, or pointing out, the incorrect use of the word "dangerous" in order to get clicks for an article.
- toast0 8y ago
  It may sound like hyperbole, but there are contemporaneous reports of real people noticing their rooms were rather cold despite their settings.
  - lotsofpulp 8y ago
    That might be, but I wouldn't use the word "dangerous" to describe the effects of a thermostat not working. It's the same as when the power goes out. Obviously, no one is leaving their baby alone for hours and hours and hours while the temp actually gets to freezing level such that it would harm the baby, so what is so dangerous about it? I can see the harm in frozen pipes and whatnot, but you take the same risk when dealing with other systems, such as other thermostats or power or the furnace itself. However, if it is known that Nest devices fail when the internet fails, then that is Nest's responsibility to advertise that to users.
thrower123 8y ago
I've never seen a Nest that worked the way it was supposed to. The last time I took a look at the one in the office, it had a bizarre set of temperature set-points bouncing around up and down 20-30 degrees F every 5-7 minutes. I have no idea how it got into that state, but it's no wonder that it doesn't work worth a shit. We've also had issues where it was linked to a cellphone app, and got incredibly confused when that cellphone went on vacation to a different timezone... The best thing to do with them, and most of this other godawful "smart" home tech is to rip it out, smash it with a hammer, and put back the cheap analog versions you had in originally.
- tenebrisalietum 8y ago
  It tries to detect when you are home/out and adapt the temperature settings. Only when it's in ECO mode will it not change the settings.
tenebrisalietum 8y ago
Looking for a Wifi connection will drain the Nest's battery faster than it can recharge. It trickle charges from the "power on" thermostat lines. But mine has not outright crashed when its Internet connection was interrupted.

lotsofpulp 8y ago

The dangerous temperature loss from a Nest thermostat crash sounds like hyperbole.

eivarv 8y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/fashion/nest-thermostat-glitch-battery-dies-software-freeze.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/fashion/nest-thermostat-g...
- lotsofpulp 8y ago
  That's what I mean, 64 degrees isn't the end of the world. And for the few hours of the night an infant sleeps, it's the same issue as if the power/gas were to go out.
  - megamindbrian2 8y ago
    How about in Arizona where it is 120. Too hot could kill someone easily.
    - lotsofpulp 8y ago
      A power outage results in the same thing. Someone so incapacitated that they can't move from a place that's getting too hot (such as a baby or the infirm) aren't probably left alone for long enough for the temp to reach extremes in the first place, and if they are, then that's the actual "dangerous" problem, not the thermostat. I'm disagreeing with, or pointing out, the incorrect use of the word "dangerous" in order to get clicks for an article.
toast0 8y ago
It may sound like hyperbole, but there are contemporaneous reports of real people noticing their rooms were rather cold despite their settings.
- lotsofpulp 8y ago
  That might be, but I wouldn't use the word "dangerous" to describe the effects of a thermostat not working. It's the same as when the power goes out. Obviously, no one is leaving their baby alone for hours and hours and hours while the temp actually gets to freezing level such that it would harm the baby, so what is so dangerous about it? I can see the harm in frozen pipes and whatnot, but you take the same risk when dealing with other systems, such as other thermostats or power or the furnace itself. However, if it is known that Nest devices fail when the internet fails, then that is Nest's responsibility to advertise that to users.

thrower123 8y ago

I've never seen a Nest that worked the way it was supposed to. The last time I took a look at the one in the office, it had a bizarre set of temperature set-points bouncing around up and down 20-30 degrees F every 5-7 minutes. I have no idea how it got into that state, but it's no wonder that it doesn't work worth a shit. We've also had issues where it was linked to a cellphone app, and got incredibly confused when that cellphone went on vacation to a different timezone... The best thing to do with them, and most of this other godawful "smart" home tech is to rip it out, smash it with a hammer, and put back the cheap analog versions you had in originally.

tenebrisalietum 8y ago
It tries to detect when you are home/out and adapt the temperature settings. Only when it's in ECO mode will it not change the settings.

tenebrisalietum 8y ago

Looking for a Wifi connection will drain the Nest's battery faster than it can recharge. It trickle charges from the "power on" thermostat lines. But mine has not outright crashed when its Internet connection was interrupted.