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The problem is not in the guys who want to misbehave and hate Code of Conduct because of that. Code of conduct and its vaguely written rules gives certain peopl

by kaneua 8y ago

The problem is not in the guys who want to misbehave and hate Code of Conduct because of that. Code of conduct and its vaguely written rules gives certain people a power to abuse. As we know from history, if there is a possibility that power can be abused, it will be.

Certhas 8y ago
We know from history that human collaboration, and the building of communities requires norms, compromise and ongoing discussion. Fight the abusers, fight the bullies, but don't pretend that we can't have written down norms of decency because of the potential for abuse. You presumably wouldn't accept blanket "potential for abuse/harm" arguments in other contexts either.
- kaneua 8y ago
  > don't pretend that we can't have written down norms of decency because of the potential for abuse I don't pretend that we can't have written norms of decency. But I know for sure that it's not the norms written in "Contributor's Covenant". It should be another covenant. > You presumably wouldn't accept blanket "potential for abuse/harm" arguments in other contexts either. A couple of month ago I made a teardown[0] of 17 pages long bill that was pushed in Ukraine and had a lot of abuse potential. It was (and is) my main concern. I see it as a major issue of laws, rules, covenants and other legal or semi-legal documents. You may not see it as big issue, but I do. I see this potential abused every single day by corrupt governments of Ukraine and other ex-USSR governments. Vague rulings as in previously mentioned "Contributor's Covenant" are used to prosecute people for stupid reasons and for personal profit by ones who have power. > Fight the abusers It's very unlikely that witchhunt victim will return to community. I'd rather have rules better written than someone expelled from the community because someone likes to abuse the power. [0]https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraina/comments/8te554/как_власть_собирается_вертеть_интернетом/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraina/comments/8te554/как_власть_...

by kaneua 8y ago

Certhas 8y ago

We know from history that human collaboration, and the building of communities requires norms, compromise and ongoing discussion. Fight the abusers, fight the bullies, but don't pretend that we can't have written down norms of decency because of the potential for abuse. You presumably wouldn't accept blanket "potential for abuse/harm" arguments in other contexts either.

kaneua 8y ago
> don't pretend that we can't have written down norms of decency because of the potential for abuse I don't pretend that we can't have written norms of decency. But I know for sure that it's not the norms written in "Contributor's Covenant". It should be another covenant. > You presumably wouldn't accept blanket "potential for abuse/harm" arguments in other contexts either. A couple of month ago I made a teardown[0] of 17 pages long bill that was pushed in Ukraine and had a lot of abuse potential. It was (and is) my main concern. I see it as a major issue of laws, rules, covenants and other legal or semi-legal documents. You may not see it as big issue, but I do. I see this potential abused every single day by corrupt governments of Ukraine and other ex-USSR governments. Vague rulings as in previously mentioned "Contributor's Covenant" are used to prosecute people for stupid reasons and for personal profit by ones who have power. > Fight the abusers It's very unlikely that witchhunt victim will return to community. I'd rather have rules better written than someone expelled from the community because someone likes to abuse the power. [0]https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraina/comments/8te554/как_власть_собирается_вертеть_интернетом/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraina/comments/8te554/как_власть_...