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I'm not religious but isn't that a common story from Christianity? God sacrificing his son to save the world? Not religious and not saying there aren't other in

I'm not religious but isn't that a common story from Christianity? God sacrificing his son to save the world? Not religious and not saying there aren't other interpretations of that story but it is a common one.

ctchocula 8y ago
Yeah, it seems a common trope in western culture. In the Iliad, Agamemnon leader of the Greeks does not get favourable wind that is needed for his armada to sail to Troy before he sacrifices his daughter who he loved.
- leetcrew 8y ago
  it's worth noting that this is considered a sin against the gods, and agamemnon is cursed for it.
perilunar 8y ago
Also Abraham and his son Isaac.
zaphar 8y ago
Technically, Jesus sacrifices himself willingly. The whole thing is pretty nuanced.
- JoeAltmaier 8y ago
  Pretty crazy. God sends his son down to ultimately sacrifice himself. Not clear who is in charge here. Then he 'sacrifices' himself by being arrested, charged and convicted. Then he dies(?) Then he's re-born. So, unsacrificed? Or didn't really die? Not like regular people anyway. Then he goes to heaven without dying again.
  - moate 8y ago
    I mean technically Jesus is a human embodiment of God (according to the Council of Nicaea) so he is both himself and his Son. That whole story is a mindfuck and a logical nightmare. Right up there with the Tower of Babel when it comes to "What the fuck is this omnipotent, omniscient being fucking doing up there?!"
    - JoeAltmaier 8y ago
      And then there's the Messiah going around saying we are all 'children of God'. So how is he different? Either he's the only son, or we're all daughters and sons, can't have it both ways. So when any of us sacrifice ourselves for others, we've done exactly as significant a sacrifice as the famous one. Or more so - because when we die, its permanent and not a sort of symbolic dying where you get to walk around and talk with your buds again for days.
      - walljm 8y ago
        Jesus would be the first born, and has preeminence (https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_216.cfm https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_...). Christians, when they enter into the family of God are adopted (in the roman sense). Jesus is different because He is God, because He was first, because when He lived on this earth He did no sin and thus when He died his sacrifice was sufficient for sins that were not His own, and because He was God, His sacrifice was sufficient for the sins of all mankind. Our deaths must atone for our own sins and can't be applied to another. According to Christian doctrine, our deaths are not permanent, as all people will be resurrected, either to live with God or to suffer punishment for rejecting Him.
    - joshuacc 8y ago
      According to Nicea and the Christian tradition, there is one God in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus is the Son incarnate, but not the Father. You may not think this makes sense, and that's fine, but it is quite different from what you are claiming above.
      - 8y ago
  - unit91 8y ago
    Really not trying to be rude, but I do think it's worth pointing out that nothing you said except "God sends his own son down to ultimately sacrifice himself" is what Christians believe. This is not the story of Christ. Maybe read the Gospel of John (4th book in the New Testament) if you want to know the details. It's pretty short, you could easily do it in one sitting. If you don't want to know the details that's your business of course, but be aware that the story you relayed is not Christianity.
    - JoeAltmaier 8y ago
      That's all in what they wrote - he dies, he's back after a couple of days, he ascends into heaven. I think I have it all accounted for. If 'true scotsmen', ahem, christians, don't believe their own writings, then well, we're done here. I don't believe them either.
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ctchocula 8y ago

Yeah, it seems a common trope in western culture. In the Iliad, Agamemnon leader of the Greeks does not get favourable wind that is needed for his armada to sail to Troy before he sacrifices his daughter who he loved.

leetcrew 8y ago
it's worth noting that this is considered a sin against the gods, and agamemnon is cursed for it.

perilunar 8y ago

Also Abraham and his son Isaac.

zaphar 8y ago

Technically, Jesus sacrifices himself willingly. The whole thing is pretty nuanced.

JoeAltmaier 8y ago
Pretty crazy. God sends his son down to ultimately sacrifice himself. Not clear who is in charge here. Then he 'sacrifices' himself by being arrested, charged and convicted. Then he dies(?) Then he's re-born. So, unsacrificed? Or didn't really die? Not like regular people anyway. Then he goes to heaven without dying again.
- moate 8y ago
  I mean technically Jesus is a human embodiment of God (according to the Council of Nicaea) so he is both himself and his Son. That whole story is a mindfuck and a logical nightmare. Right up there with the Tower of Babel when it comes to "What the fuck is this omnipotent, omniscient being fucking doing up there?!"
  - JoeAltmaier 8y ago
    And then there's the Messiah going around saying we are all 'children of God'. So how is he different? Either he's the only son, or we're all daughters and sons, can't have it both ways. So when any of us sacrifice ourselves for others, we've done exactly as significant a sacrifice as the famous one. Or more so - because when we die, its permanent and not a sort of symbolic dying where you get to walk around and talk with your buds again for days.
    - walljm 8y ago
      Jesus would be the first born, and has preeminence (https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_216.cfm https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_...). Christians, when they enter into the family of God are adopted (in the roman sense). Jesus is different because He is God, because He was first, because when He lived on this earth He did no sin and thus when He died his sacrifice was sufficient for sins that were not His own, and because He was God, His sacrifice was sufficient for the sins of all mankind. Our deaths must atone for our own sins and can't be applied to another. According to Christian doctrine, our deaths are not permanent, as all people will be resurrected, either to live with God or to suffer punishment for rejecting Him.
  - joshuacc 8y ago
    According to Nicea and the Christian tradition, there is one God in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus is the Son incarnate, but not the Father. You may not think this makes sense, and that's fine, but it is quite different from what you are claiming above.
    - 8y ago
- unit91 8y ago
  Really not trying to be rude, but I do think it's worth pointing out that nothing you said except "God sends his own son down to ultimately sacrifice himself" is what Christians believe. This is not the story of Christ. Maybe read the Gospel of John (4th book in the New Testament) if you want to know the details. It's pretty short, you could easily do it in one sitting. If you don't want to know the details that's your business of course, but be aware that the story you relayed is not Christianity.
  - JoeAltmaier 8y ago
    That's all in what they wrote - he dies, he's back after a couple of days, he ascends into heaven. I think I have it all accounted for. If 'true scotsmen', ahem, christians, don't believe their own writings, then well, we're done here. I don't believe them either.
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