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> I'm not a fan of Brave's hijacking of ad spaces so my preference is currently vivaldi I'm not affiliated with Brave, but IIRC that requires opt-in from both

by lawl 8y ago

> I'm not a fan of Brave's hijacking of ad spaces so my preference is currently vivaldi I'm not affiliated with Brave, but IIRC that requires opt-in from both the owner of the user AND the website. So it seems like a bit of a stretch to call it hijacking, when the website, ads are being "hijacked" from needs to opt-in to this.

mythz 8y ago
It blocks ads by default and from all I've read replaces it with their own against publishers wishes: https://www.businessinsider.com/newspaper-publishers-send-cease-and-desist-to-brave-browser-2016-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/newspaper-publishers-send-ce... https://www.wired.com/2016/04/brave-software-publishers-respond/ https://www.wired.com/2016/04/brave-software-publishers-resp... Where is the opt-in from the website who are getting their ads blocked/replaced?
- lawl 8y ago
  Brave certainly blocks ads by default, I personally don't see a problem with that. Users can't install adblocker addons in browsers, not much different than downloading an adblocking-by-default browser. I can't immediately find a source for the publisher opt-in thing. But brave definitely hasn't been doing anything like that in 2016 as your articles suggest, because they only just started now with beta testing brave ads[0]. From my personal testing of brave a couple of times, with the ad opt-in activated, I have also never seen this happening. And publishers (now) seem willing to join[1]. [0] https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/20/blockchain-browser-brave-starts-opt-in-testing-of-on-device-ad-targeting/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/20/blockchain-browser-brave-s... [1] https://www.cnet.com/news/ad-blocking-brave-browser-gets-dow-jones-subsidiary-as-partner/ https://www.cnet.com/news/ad-blocking-brave-browser-gets-dow...
  - _corym 8y ago
    Since it's going to be using chromium as a base then theoretically you could install whatever extensions you want to it right now, but that's still in beta
- TangoTrotFox 8y ago
  Check out the browser. By default no ads are shown. Everything is opt-in at all levels. The idea is to remove the coercion from ads. Users will earn 70% of all gross ad revenue. The remaining 30% will be split between publisher and the browser. Users can get paid to tolerate ads, or they can choose to see no ads. If users see ads then users, the browser, and sites all earn money. If they don't then nobody earns money and they get to experience an ad free internet.
  - nambit 8y ago
    Yeah but brave controls all these levers.
    - fastball 8y ago
      Actually, because they're using BAT as the medium of exchange, hypothetically anyone could build another browser / client / extension that could be used and users wouldn't need to worry about any sort of "lock-in".
  - hadrien01 8y ago
    From the Business Insider article: > With Brave, publishers get around 55% of revenues: 15% go to Brave, 15% go to the partner that serves the ads, and 10% to 15% goes back to the user So they went from 55% for the publisher... to 15%?

by lawl 8y ago

mythz 8y ago

It blocks ads by default and from all I've read replaces it with their own against publishers wishes: https://www.businessinsider.com/newspaper-publishers-send-cease-and-desist-to-brave-browser-2016-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/newspaper-publishers-send-ce... https://www.wired.com/2016/04/brave-software-publishers-respond/ https://www.wired.com/2016/04/brave-software-publishers-resp... Where is the opt-in from the website who are getting their ads blocked/replaced?

lawl 8y ago
Brave certainly blocks ads by default, I personally don't see a problem with that. Users can't install adblocker addons in browsers, not much different than downloading an adblocking-by-default browser. I can't immediately find a source for the publisher opt-in thing. But brave definitely hasn't been doing anything like that in 2016 as your articles suggest, because they only just started now with beta testing brave ads[0]. From my personal testing of brave a couple of times, with the ad opt-in activated, I have also never seen this happening. And publishers (now) seem willing to join[1]. [0] https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/20/blockchain-browser-brave-starts-opt-in-testing-of-on-device-ad-targeting/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/20/blockchain-browser-brave-s... [1] https://www.cnet.com/news/ad-blocking-brave-browser-gets-dow-jones-subsidiary-as-partner/ https://www.cnet.com/news/ad-blocking-brave-browser-gets-dow...
- _corym 8y ago
  Since it's going to be using chromium as a base then theoretically you could install whatever extensions you want to it right now, but that's still in beta
TangoTrotFox 8y ago
Check out the browser. By default no ads are shown. Everything is opt-in at all levels. The idea is to remove the coercion from ads. Users will earn 70% of all gross ad revenue. The remaining 30% will be split between publisher and the browser. Users can get paid to tolerate ads, or they can choose to see no ads. If users see ads then users, the browser, and sites all earn money. If they don't then nobody earns money and they get to experience an ad free internet.
- nambit 8y ago
  Yeah but brave controls all these levers.
  - fastball 8y ago
    Actually, because they're using BAT as the medium of exchange, hypothetically anyone could build another browser / client / extension that could be used and users wouldn't need to worry about any sort of "lock-in".
- hadrien01 8y ago
  From the Business Insider article: > With Brave, publishers get around 55% of revenues: 15% go to Brave, 15% go to the partner that serves the ads, and 10% to 15% goes back to the user So they went from 55% for the publisher... to 15%?