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I wonder if anybody could give me a link to read on canned food issues. I come from Russia and there were non in USSR and Russia after USSR dissolved, what were

by p2t2p 8y ago

I wonder if anybody could give me a link to read on canned food issues. I come from Russia and there were non in USSR and Russia after USSR dissolved, what were the issues in the US?

schoen 8y ago
You could look at it from at least two angles: canned food became associated with lower economic classes, and people became concerned that much of the nutritional value of canned foods was lost when they were preserved. https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/really-the-claim-fresh-produce-has-more-nutrients-than-canned/ https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/really-the-claim-f... Today people who see themselves as well-off and/or health-conscious may pride themselves on eating fresh (as well as local and in-season) foods, although it can be an expensive habit in places that don't have as much local agriculture. Restaurants will brag about how they don't use packaged food and how they made dishes from fresh ingredients. If you go to supermarkets that cater to poorer people, you'll probably see comparatively more preserved foods, although this is far from the only factor and all supermarkets will certainly offer a significant selection of preserved foods. This phenomenon is probably even more pronounced with "TV dinners", which when they were introduced were seen as impressive and futuristic and somewhat luxurious, and nowadays the original styles are seen as somewhat unhealthy and unappetizing and are often associated with poverty or a lack of leisure time (although there are also frozen prepared dishes that are marketed differently). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_dinner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_dinner Edit: an example of some marketing about fresh ingredients in a restaurant https://www.chipotle.com/cooking https://www.chipotle.com/cooking Chipotle isn't a very expensive restaurant but they know that being able to say or imply that they prepare most of their items on-site from fresh ingredients makes it look a lot fancier to visitors, compared to other restaurants that might use more canned or frozen ingredients.
- soperj 8y ago
  Cans are also lined with plastic, so there's the whole BPA or BPA replacement leeching into your food thing as well.
- sonnyblarney 8y ago
  No. Fresh produce is basically always cheaper than processed foods, and there are no places on the continent that lack access to 'agriculture'. Hawaii, way up in Northern Canada - maybe. I buy a big bad of produce from the local market and it comes to like $12. A bag of arbitrary goods from the processed isles would be 5 times that. The only dietary staple that's expensive is meat. My grandparents grew up on farms, they were poor, they never saw or ate a 'TV dinner' why on earth would they? TV dinners and canned foods are not about economic poverty.
  - JoeAltmaier 8y ago
    I'm a big fan of buying and processing my own vegetables too. Not a whole lot of work in peeling a carrot or dismembering my own broccoli. But its only fair to note, organic vegetables can be way more expensive than processed regular (commercially grown and processed) vegetables. That's pretty much the definition of commercial - where production cost is the driving factor.
    - sonnyblarney 8y ago
      'Organic' is definitely 'commercial' in most cases. It usually just means no pesticides etc..
  - TheCoelacanth 8y ago
    People who run their own farms are usually not living in poverty. Poor: yes, poverty: no. Eating well for really cheap takes some upfront resources that really impoverished people wouldn't have, like kitchen space, cooking equipment, a lot of freezer or shelf space, equipment for freezing or canning your own food, etc. Those things are all fairly cheap, so poor people living on a farm can afford them since it will save them a lot of money in the long run, but truly impoverished people can't afford that even if it will save them money.
    - sonnyblarney 8y ago
      No. Produce is cheaper than processed food universally. 100% of domiciles in the United States have refrigerators, cooking spaces, and 'shelf space'. (Did you really just use 'shelf space' as an argument?) The facts are clear - the argument of 'cost of eating well' doesn't make a whole lot of sense because with a marginal bit of thought, it's entirely possible to eat well and save money. If you're talking 'homeless' - well that's another thing entirely. I think there may be some issues with 'time' - with two working parents not normative, and possibly kids, people have less time.
empath75 8y ago
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/botulism-outbreak-gave-rise-americas-food-safety-system-180969868/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/botulism-outbreak-gav...

by p2t2p 8y ago

I wonder if anybody could give me a link to read on canned food issues. I come from Russia and there were non in USSR and Russia after USSR dissolved, what were the issues in the US?

schoen 8y ago

You could look at it from at least two angles: canned food became associated with lower economic classes, and people became concerned that much of the nutritional value of canned foods was lost when they were preserved. https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/really-the-claim-fresh-produce-has-more-nutrients-than-canned/ https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/really-the-claim-f... Today people who see themselves as well-off and/or health-conscious may pride themselves on eating fresh (as well as local and in-season) foods, although it can be an expensive habit in places that don't have as much local agriculture. Restaurants will brag about how they don't use packaged food and how they made dishes from fresh ingredients. If you go to supermarkets that cater to poorer people, you'll probably see comparatively more preserved foods, although this is far from the only factor and all supermarkets will certainly offer a significant selection of preserved foods. This phenomenon is probably even more pronounced with "TV dinners", which when they were introduced were seen as impressive and futuristic and somewhat luxurious, and nowadays the original styles are seen as somewhat unhealthy and unappetizing and are often associated with poverty or a lack of leisure time (although there are also frozen prepared dishes that are marketed differently). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_dinner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_dinner Edit: an example of some marketing about fresh ingredients in a restaurant https://www.chipotle.com/cooking https://www.chipotle.com/cooking Chipotle isn't a very expensive restaurant but they know that being able to say or imply that they prepare most of their items on-site from fresh ingredients makes it look a lot fancier to visitors, compared to other restaurants that might use more canned or frozen ingredients.

soperj 8y ago
Cans are also lined with plastic, so there's the whole BPA or BPA replacement leeching into your food thing as well.
sonnyblarney 8y ago
No. Fresh produce is basically always cheaper than processed foods, and there are no places on the continent that lack access to 'agriculture'. Hawaii, way up in Northern Canada - maybe. I buy a big bad of produce from the local market and it comes to like $12. A bag of arbitrary goods from the processed isles would be 5 times that. The only dietary staple that's expensive is meat. My grandparents grew up on farms, they were poor, they never saw or ate a 'TV dinner' why on earth would they? TV dinners and canned foods are not about economic poverty.
- JoeAltmaier 8y ago
  I'm a big fan of buying and processing my own vegetables too. Not a whole lot of work in peeling a carrot or dismembering my own broccoli. But its only fair to note, organic vegetables can be way more expensive than processed regular (commercially grown and processed) vegetables. That's pretty much the definition of commercial - where production cost is the driving factor.
  - sonnyblarney 8y ago
    'Organic' is definitely 'commercial' in most cases. It usually just means no pesticides etc..
- TheCoelacanth 8y ago
  People who run their own farms are usually not living in poverty. Poor: yes, poverty: no. Eating well for really cheap takes some upfront resources that really impoverished people wouldn't have, like kitchen space, cooking equipment, a lot of freezer or shelf space, equipment for freezing or canning your own food, etc. Those things are all fairly cheap, so poor people living on a farm can afford them since it will save them a lot of money in the long run, but truly impoverished people can't afford that even if it will save them money.
  - sonnyblarney 8y ago
    No. Produce is cheaper than processed food universally. 100% of domiciles in the United States have refrigerators, cooking spaces, and 'shelf space'. (Did you really just use 'shelf space' as an argument?) The facts are clear - the argument of 'cost of eating well' doesn't make a whole lot of sense because with a marginal bit of thought, it's entirely possible to eat well and save money. If you're talking 'homeless' - well that's another thing entirely. I think there may be some issues with 'time' - with two working parents not normative, and possibly kids, people have less time.

empath75 8y ago

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/botulism-outbreak-gave-rise-americas-food-safety-system-180969868/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/botulism-outbreak-gav...