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> Microsoft got knocked off their perch and are a much better company today than they were 15 years ago. Microsoft didn't get knocked off their perch. They won

> Microsoft got knocked off their perch and are a much better company today than they were 15 years ago. Microsoft didn't get knocked off their perch. They won the antitrust fight. Do you remember microsoft being broken apart? I don't. And they aren't a much better company today. They are arguably an even bigger privacy threat since they are leveraging their ubiquitous OS to gather data and to sell ads. > Google's turn to fall is rapidly approaching. Microsoft never fell. They are ahead of google in the race to be the next trillion dollar company. I wouldn't hold my breath thinking that google is going to fall. Especially if you think microsoft "fell".

thrower123 8y ago
Google is much less adept at avoiding the ire of antitrust agencies, particularly under the current administration. Google is considerably more evil in the popular imagination at this point.
- slededit 8y ago
  Were you around back then? It’s realy hard to describe how much MS was hated. There’s nowhere near that animosity towards Google today.
  - thrower123 8y ago
    I was, and it seemed absurd at the time. Bundling IE with windows is no different than the current status quo, where Apple defaults to Safari, or Android defaults to a Chrome version. Google's incredible monopoly in search looks like a large target.
    - SystemOut 8y ago
      There are other search engines and one can easily just type bing.com into their browser and set it as the default. Even on Chrome. I'm not sure why you remember MS the way you do. There was a much much larger barrier for consumers to move to a different OS. If you owned a PC you pretty much had to run Windows. And MS made it extremely difficult to use a non-IE browser in the OS. That doesn't mean I think they're innocent in all things but I don't see how their search market share is a monopoly target.
      - thrower123 8y ago
        I have never used IE as my primary browser... I'm sort of amazed at anyone that does use the OS-native browser as their default, because it has almost always been an inferior choice.
        vishnugupta 8y ago
        For the vast majority of the target audience (i.e., not tech savvy mostly) Internet is the OS-native browser. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know what a "browser" is in the first place. As an analogy, during my childhood days when photocopiers came out in India they were mostly Xerox machines. So Xerox became a verb and has stayed a verb to this day. So much so that you will find "Xerox shops"[1] in all Indian cities and people won't understand what a photocopier shop is :-) [1]: https://goo.gl/maps/M2TSWXLfqc22 https://goo.gl/maps/M2TSWXLfqc22
      - pixl97 8y ago
        One can easily install firefox on windows... That didn't work for Microsoft back then either
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  - peatmoss 8y ago
    I think we just had a different set of ideals back then. I feel like maybe we got tired of fighting the same battles. Or maybe Microsoft was being judged more harshly on moral grounds because their software was also widely criticized for being crashy. I mean, at the tail end of that period even South Park was lampooning the reliability of Windows. A lot of Google’s products work very well and dependably (well, provided they don’t murder the product), which maybe isolates them from that synergistic hate.
  - colordrops 8y ago
    The difference is that MS was only hated by nerds, whereas Google is hated by everyone on earth.
    - freyr 8y ago
      I don’t know anyone who actively hates Google. Most people don’t even think about it, even though they’re constantly using it in one form or another. People hated Microsoft. Remember blue screens of death? Clippy? Developing for IE?
      - colordrops 8y ago
        I hear plenty of non-tech people bringing up google as Big Brother. Much worse than UX annoyances.
      - earenndil 8y ago
        I actively hate google, but I don't know anyone else who does.
      - mscasts 8y ago
        A lot people who are heavily right leaning in terms of policies does not like Google. I even know a local Swedish podcaster that actively say DuckDuckGo instead of Google when relating to search. I completely understand this because I totally agree with the concept that Google has become politicized like a lot of companies unfortunately have become.

thrower123 8y ago

Google is much less adept at avoiding the ire of antitrust agencies, particularly under the current administration. Google is considerably more evil in the popular imagination at this point.

slededit 8y ago
Were you around back then? It’s realy hard to describe how much MS was hated. There’s nowhere near that animosity towards Google today.
- thrower123 8y ago
  I was, and it seemed absurd at the time. Bundling IE with windows is no different than the current status quo, where Apple defaults to Safari, or Android defaults to a Chrome version. Google's incredible monopoly in search looks like a large target.
  - SystemOut 8y ago
    There are other search engines and one can easily just type bing.com into their browser and set it as the default. Even on Chrome. I'm not sure why you remember MS the way you do. There was a much much larger barrier for consumers to move to a different OS. If you owned a PC you pretty much had to run Windows. And MS made it extremely difficult to use a non-IE browser in the OS. That doesn't mean I think they're innocent in all things but I don't see how their search market share is a monopoly target.
    - thrower123 8y ago
      I have never used IE as my primary browser... I'm sort of amazed at anyone that does use the OS-native browser as their default, because it has almost always been an inferior choice.
      - vishnugupta 8y ago
        For the vast majority of the target audience (i.e., not tech savvy mostly) Internet is the OS-native browser. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know what a "browser" is in the first place. As an analogy, during my childhood days when photocopiers came out in India they were mostly Xerox machines. So Xerox became a verb and has stayed a verb to this day. So much so that you will find "Xerox shops"[1] in all Indian cities and people won't understand what a photocopier shop is :-) [1]: https://goo.gl/maps/M2TSWXLfqc22 https://goo.gl/maps/M2TSWXLfqc22
    - pixl97 8y ago
      One can easily install firefox on windows... That didn't work for Microsoft back then either
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- peatmoss 8y ago
  I think we just had a different set of ideals back then. I feel like maybe we got tired of fighting the same battles. Or maybe Microsoft was being judged more harshly on moral grounds because their software was also widely criticized for being crashy. I mean, at the tail end of that period even South Park was lampooning the reliability of Windows. A lot of Google’s products work very well and dependably (well, provided they don’t murder the product), which maybe isolates them from that synergistic hate.
- colordrops 8y ago
  The difference is that MS was only hated by nerds, whereas Google is hated by everyone on earth.
  - freyr 8y ago
    I don’t know anyone who actively hates Google. Most people don’t even think about it, even though they’re constantly using it in one form or another. People hated Microsoft. Remember blue screens of death? Clippy? Developing for IE?
    - colordrops 8y ago
      I hear plenty of non-tech people bringing up google as Big Brother. Much worse than UX annoyances.
    - earenndil 8y ago
      I actively hate google, but I don't know anyone else who does.
    - mscasts 8y ago
      A lot people who are heavily right leaning in terms of policies does not like Google. I even know a local Swedish podcaster that actively say DuckDuckGo instead of Google when relating to search. I completely understand this because I totally agree with the concept that Google has become politicized like a lot of companies unfortunately have become.