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Firefox here I come. Google’s update, to automatically take an action on my computer that I specifically don’t want, is an egregious misuse of technology. This

Firefox here I come. Google’s update, to automatically take an action on my computer that I specifically don’t want, is an egregious misuse of technology. This is what Microsoft might have done in the early 2000’s for which they were rightfully vilified. What happened to “do no evil”?

kerng 8y ago
Once in a position of power the true colors show.
fma 8y ago
Money is the root of all evil. That's why they got rid of the mantra, as it meant 'Do no money'... And they need to please share holders. I got rid of chrome when I noticed it hoggged my memory and CPU, and decided to try Firefox. Firefox is much more processor friendly for me at least.
- krapp 8y ago
  >Money is the root of all evil. The love of money is the root of all evil.
  - yunruse 8y ago
    When you think of money as “intermediary token of value”, this makes a lot of sense. If you have a love of money, you will naturally tend towards whatever has the highest money-in-to-value-out ratio. With Google, however, the user is the product, so Google only want to put as much value in as to make sure the user stays. And yes, that does result in a good and polished browser, but only because it’s what keeps users from going to another one.
  - rsyring 8y ago
    > The love of money is the root of all evil. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. (1 Tim 6:10 ESV) :)
JoshMnem 8y ago
> What happened to “do no evil”? It was considered "stupid" so they dropped it: https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/13/4326424/eric-schmidt-once-thought-dont-be-evil-was-stupidest-rule-ever https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/13/4326424/eric-schmidt-once... I thought that even if "evil" can't be well-defined, its general meaning probably encouraged a culture that tried to focus on ethics. When your leader says that trying not to be evil is "stupid", it has a different effect on the culture.
- teddyfrozevelt 8y ago
  https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html Don't be evil is in the last line of Google's Code of Conduct.
  - JoshMnem 8y ago
    It was dropped, but they must have added it back after the publicity. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/google-dont-be-evil-code-conduct-removed-alphabet-a8361276.html https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/ne...
    - contem 8y ago
      It was never fully dropped, just de-emphasized. Silly: Thinking that Google wants to go do evil, but needs to drop a value statement first (to do otherwise, goes against the Code of Evildoers)
      - JoshMnem 8y ago
        Having the CEO call the idea "stupid" and removing it from the code are a bit more than de-emphasis.
        contem 8y ago
        It was never removed from the code. You seem to think it was, and that the media attention made them add it back. Try to find a snapshot of the code that does not include it (I can only find snapshots with it, so that won't suffice as proof). About Eric Schmidt (who I won't defend) the full quote and context ("a casual jokey interview"): > "The idea was that we don't quite know what evil is, but if we have a rule that says don't be evil, then employees can say, I think that's evil," Schmidt said. "Now, when I showed up, I thought this was the stupidest rule ever, because there's no book about evil except maybe, you know, the Bible or something." In the end, though, he believes it has worked, by giving employees a way to point out things they find unethical. Subtle but it is there: The former CEO does not think that doing no evil is stupid, he thinks using a rule like that, without properly defining evil was stupid. Then he changed his mind. Compare with the JSLint license that states: "the Software shall be used for Good, not Evil." You can find that rule stupid and vague, while acting like Mother Theresa. > "As Google (and some others) interpret it, this additional requirement constitutes a vague use restriction and thus makes the license non-free. Chris [DiBona] explained that if I were to remove that line from the license and 'return to a proper open source license that we support,' then jsmin-php could stay on Google Code.

kerng 8y ago

Once in a position of power the true colors show.

fma 8y ago

Money is the root of all evil. That's why they got rid of the mantra, as it meant 'Do no money'... And they need to please share holders. I got rid of chrome when I noticed it hoggged my memory and CPU, and decided to try Firefox. Firefox is much more processor friendly for me at least.

krapp 8y ago
>Money is the root of all evil. The love of money is the root of all evil.
- yunruse 8y ago
  When you think of money as “intermediary token of value”, this makes a lot of sense. If you have a love of money, you will naturally tend towards whatever has the highest money-in-to-value-out ratio. With Google, however, the user is the product, so Google only want to put as much value in as to make sure the user stays. And yes, that does result in a good and polished browser, but only because it’s what keeps users from going to another one.
- rsyring 8y ago
  > The love of money is the root of all evil. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. (1 Tim 6:10 ESV) :)

JoshMnem 8y ago

> What happened to “do no evil”? It was considered "stupid" so they dropped it: https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/13/4326424/eric-schmidt-once-thought-dont-be-evil-was-stupidest-rule-ever https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/13/4326424/eric-schmidt-once... I thought that even if "evil" can't be well-defined, its general meaning probably encouraged a culture that tried to focus on ethics. When your leader says that trying not to be evil is "stupid", it has a different effect on the culture.

teddyfrozevelt 8y ago
https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html Don't be evil is in the last line of Google's Code of Conduct.
- JoshMnem 8y ago
  It was dropped, but they must have added it back after the publicity. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/google-dont-be-evil-code-conduct-removed-alphabet-a8361276.html https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/ne...
  - contem 8y ago
    It was never fully dropped, just de-emphasized. Silly: Thinking that Google wants to go do evil, but needs to drop a value statement first (to do otherwise, goes against the Code of Evildoers)
    - JoshMnem 8y ago
      Having the CEO call the idea "stupid" and removing it from the code are a bit more than de-emphasis.
      - contem 8y ago
        It was never removed from the code. You seem to think it was, and that the media attention made them add it back. Try to find a snapshot of the code that does not include it (I can only find snapshots with it, so that won't suffice as proof). About Eric Schmidt (who I won't defend) the full quote and context ("a casual jokey interview"): > "The idea was that we don't quite know what evil is, but if we have a rule that says don't be evil, then employees can say, I think that's evil," Schmidt said. "Now, when I showed up, I thought this was the stupidest rule ever, because there's no book about evil except maybe, you know, the Bible or something." In the end, though, he believes it has worked, by giving employees a way to point out things they find unethical. Subtle but it is there: The former CEO does not think that doing no evil is stupid, he thinks using a rule like that, without properly defining evil was stupid. Then he changed his mind. Compare with the JSLint license that states: "the Software shall be used for Good, not Evil." You can find that rule stupid and vague, while acting like Mother Theresa. > "As Google (and some others) interpret it, this additional requirement constitutes a vague use restriction and thus makes the license non-free. Chris [DiBona] explained that if I were to remove that line from the license and 'return to a proper open source license that we support,' then jsmin-php could stay on Google Code.