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Firefox is completely ungoogled once you change the default search engine.

anothergoogler 8y ago
Well, with Firefox I have a separate issue which is that I never know when an update will include default-enabled integration with Pocket, a phone service, or some other startup that's scratched Mozilla's back in the past six months. So Firefox isn't a replacement. Also I was badly burned by Firefox removing support for XUL extensions, and refuse to depend on that browser again. I have serious misgivings with how Firefox is managed. You're not being helpful since you know I know about Firefox, and my question is about Chrome.
- giancarlostoro 8y ago
  They ditched proprietary extensions in favor of an open spec than any other browser can use... I mean WebExtensions are here to stay and for the greater good. I can't understand blind hatred towards a move towards an open source alternative. As for Firefox including Pocket, they own Pocket for starters, and it's less annoying than Edge or Chrome pushing their analytics filled services. There's a lot less cruft on Firefox than in other browsers. If I really wanted I could use one of the GNU forks of Firefox, though I'm not sure how much more privacy conscious they may be aside from a bunch of brand rework.
  - lucb1e 8y ago
    Proprietary? By that standard, Firefox is proprietaty because they roll their own browser. Just because it's custom doesn't make it proprietary. And I also got burned by the very badly managed WebExtensions thing. I can totally see where GP is coming from.
lucb1e 8y ago
And blocked site list, right? I forgot the name but there is this anti-phishing and -malware list with 40% false-positives that Firefox uses and is maintained by Google.
- giancarlostoro 8y ago
  Which you can disable.
  - lucb1e 8y ago
    Right, but the parent comment was claiming that Firefox is ungoogled after only one setting.
stonogo 8y ago
Except for the Google Analytics embedded into the extension system.
- jhoh 8y ago
  Really? Do you have a source for this?
  - azdle 8y ago
    I assume they're talking about the use of google analytics on the about:addons page discussed here: https://github.com/mozilla/addons-frontend/issues/2785 https://github.com/mozilla/addons-frontend/issues/2785 Two things to note from that thread: From what I've read, Mozilla had some agreement with Google to keep all the data from their tracking stuff silo'ed so it wasn't aggregated with other data and wasn't used for anything besides showing back to Mozilla people. and They're now (and have been for more than a year) respecting DNT, removing the GA code so that you don't make any requests to google if you have that enabled.
    - giancarlostoro 8y ago
      So is it disabled by default since Firefox now sends Do Not Track by default?
      - stonogo 8y ago
        No. It's excluded by default, and only blocked if the user manually enables Do Not Track in the Preferences section.
  - lossolo 8y ago
    https://github.com/mozilla/addons-frontend/issues/2785 https://github.com/mozilla/addons-frontend/issues/2785

Well, with Firefox I have a separate issue which is that I never know when an update will include default-enabled integration with Pocket, a phone service, or some other startup that's scratched Mozilla's back in the past six months. So Firefox isn't a replacement. Also I was badly burned by Firefox removing support for XUL extensions, and refuse to depend on that browser again. I have serious misgivings with how Firefox is managed. You're not being helpful since you know I know about Firefox, and my question is about Chrome.

giancarlostoro 8y ago
They ditched proprietary extensions in favor of an open spec than any other browser can use... I mean WebExtensions are here to stay and for the greater good. I can't understand blind hatred towards a move towards an open source alternative. As for Firefox including Pocket, they own Pocket for starters, and it's less annoying than Edge or Chrome pushing their analytics filled services. There's a lot less cruft on Firefox than in other browsers. If I really wanted I could use one of the GNU forks of Firefox, though I'm not sure how much more privacy conscious they may be aside from a bunch of brand rework.
- lucb1e 8y ago
  Proprietary? By that standard, Firefox is proprietaty because they roll their own browser. Just because it's custom doesn't make it proprietary. And I also got burned by the very badly managed WebExtensions thing. I can totally see where GP is coming from.

lucb1e 8y ago

And blocked site list, right? I forgot the name but there is this anti-phishing and -malware list with 40% false-positives that Firefox uses and is maintained by Google.

giancarlostoro 8y ago
Which you can disable.
- lucb1e 8y ago
  Right, but the parent comment was claiming that Firefox is ungoogled after only one setting.

stonogo 8y ago

Except for the Google Analytics embedded into the extension system.

jhoh 8y ago
Really? Do you have a source for this?
- azdle 8y ago
  I assume they're talking about the use of google analytics on the about:addons page discussed here: https://github.com/mozilla/addons-frontend/issues/2785 https://github.com/mozilla/addons-frontend/issues/2785 Two things to note from that thread: From what I've read, Mozilla had some agreement with Google to keep all the data from their tracking stuff silo'ed so it wasn't aggregated with other data and wasn't used for anything besides showing back to Mozilla people. and They're now (and have been for more than a year) respecting DNT, removing the GA code so that you don't make any requests to google if you have that enabled.
  - giancarlostoro 8y ago
    So is it disabled by default since Firefox now sends Do Not Track by default?
    - stonogo 8y ago
      No. It's excluded by default, and only blocked if the user manually enables Do Not Track in the Preferences section.
- lossolo 8y ago
  https://github.com/mozilla/addons-frontend/issues/2785 https://github.com/mozilla/addons-frontend/issues/2785