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Merci beaucoup & please see my other comment about this...

uxcolumbo 8y ago
Yes, saw you posted it after my comment. You were one of the reasons why I got interested in Clojure / CLJS. Even visited a workshop of yours a couple of years ago ;) I'm still in dabbling mode unfortunately. So my understanding after reading your tweets - is that for your use cases ES6/TS is better suited for front-end stuff. But Clojure is still worth digging into - if only for learning the philosophy, principles, ideas and simplicity of FP. For what use cases would you use ClJ / CLJS nowadays? Anyway, thanks again for your work - I like the hiccup style of building UIs - so will be checking out hdom. Edit: typo
- toxmeister 8y ago
  Oh hello & wow... now if only I knew who you are... :) Those tweets really weren't meant to discourage people from using CLJ(S) at all!! I was merely trying to explain why, personally, I think TS is better suited for my own use cases (and those of my job)... I'm not building "standard" websites and for the tools I'm dealing with, CPU performance is more important than for most other web apps. I sometimes just felt constrained by some of the features & indirections people usually come to Clojure/Script for in the first place. For example, when generating or processing large amounts of geometry I really don't want or even need immutable data structures by default and so I wanted to have the freedom of being able to break out from this more easily. In some cases I too wanted to have more of a 1:1 correspondence between the code I write and what it ends up as in JS, something the combo of CLJS + GCC made hard(er). ES6 syntax offers many niceties (e.g. array and object destructuring, iterators, async fns) and without those I'd probably be still using CLJS more.
  - uxcolumbo 8y ago
    Ok thanks for clarifying - I didn't read your tweets as a discouragement and it makes sense the type of apps you're working on you probably need to squeeze out as much performance as you can and need something which gives you more control. I was in your last Clojure for beginners course. I remember your dog was very friendly and liked to play with the half chewed tennis ball ;)

Yes, saw you posted it after my comment. You were one of the reasons why I got interested in Clojure / CLJS. Even visited a workshop of yours a couple of years ago ;) I'm still in dabbling mode unfortunately. So my understanding after reading your tweets - is that for your use cases ES6/TS is better suited for front-end stuff. But Clojure is still worth digging into - if only for learning the philosophy, principles, ideas and simplicity of FP. For what use cases would you use ClJ / CLJS nowadays? Anyway, thanks again for your work - I like the hiccup style of building UIs - so will be checking out hdom. Edit: typo

toxmeister 8y ago
Oh hello & wow... now if only I knew who you are... :) Those tweets really weren't meant to discourage people from using CLJ(S) at all!! I was merely trying to explain why, personally, I think TS is better suited for my own use cases (and those of my job)... I'm not building "standard" websites and for the tools I'm dealing with, CPU performance is more important than for most other web apps. I sometimes just felt constrained by some of the features & indirections people usually come to Clojure/Script for in the first place. For example, when generating or processing large amounts of geometry I really don't want or even need immutable data structures by default and so I wanted to have the freedom of being able to break out from this more easily. In some cases I too wanted to have more of a 1:1 correspondence between the code I write and what it ends up as in JS, something the combo of CLJS + GCC made hard(er). ES6 syntax offers many niceties (e.g. array and object destructuring, iterators, async fns) and without those I'd probably be still using CLJS more.
- uxcolumbo 8y ago
  Ok thanks for clarifying - I didn't read your tweets as a discouragement and it makes sense the type of apps you're working on you probably need to squeeze out as much performance as you can and need something which gives you more control. I was in your last Clojure for beginners course. I remember your dog was very friendly and liked to play with the half chewed tennis ball ;)