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I downvoted you because people who have religious faith are not always irrational people. This is a cruel way to judge those who believe in higher beings. Watch

I downvoted you because people who have religious faith are not always irrational people. This is a cruel way to judge those who believe in higher beings. Watch your words, seriously. My response is simply that we concept of time in religious text is not what we think it is. I think science exists and God also exists. Plenty of scientisits believe in God and science at the same time. Are you going to quote and say they are also irrational? Sigh. I may be an angry engineer but I don’t think you should imply all of us as irrational. Don’t do that. You are insulting everyone who believe in a religion for having belief in “irrational beliefs”.

Retra 8y ago
You think it is rational to feel insulted when you are told you are being irrational? What goal are you optimizing for, and how do your actions facilitate the fastest means to converge on it?
- yeukhon 8y ago
  Why is it not rational to feel insulted in the first place? Do I need permission and science to feel insulted? Is psychology irrational, then Definition of irrationality: > the quality of being illogical or unreasonable. What part of what I said is irrational? Calling people having faith in religion is holding irrational belief? Irrational is a negative word, not a positive word unless you think we are talking about mathematics.
  - sofal 8y ago
    It is dangerous when your set of beliefs are held as above reproach such that any criticism of them is considered insulting. These are defense mechanisms that act to insulate ideas from scrutiny, and they're used to keep people indoctrinated into whatever their group's ideology happens to be. If you can't handle your beliefs being questioned or called out as irrational without resorting to feeling personally attacked and calling for apologies, then you're not yet prepared to have an honest conversation about whether you're justified in having those beliefs.
  - Retra 8y ago
    I gave you the meaning of irrational that I'm using. You can cite any definition you want and demand I explain how what I said fits in the framework of definitions I never used, but that definitely doesn't seem like a reasonable or logical request. So maybe start with that?

Retra 8y ago

You think it is rational to feel insulted when you are told you are being irrational? What goal are you optimizing for, and how do your actions facilitate the fastest means to converge on it?

yeukhon 8y ago
Why is it not rational to feel insulted in the first place? Do I need permission and science to feel insulted? Is psychology irrational, then Definition of irrationality: > the quality of being illogical or unreasonable. What part of what I said is irrational? Calling people having faith in religion is holding irrational belief? Irrational is a negative word, not a positive word unless you think we are talking about mathematics.
- sofal 8y ago
  It is dangerous when your set of beliefs are held as above reproach such that any criticism of them is considered insulting. These are defense mechanisms that act to insulate ideas from scrutiny, and they're used to keep people indoctrinated into whatever their group's ideology happens to be. If you can't handle your beliefs being questioned or called out as irrational without resorting to feeling personally attacked and calling for apologies, then you're not yet prepared to have an honest conversation about whether you're justified in having those beliefs.
- Retra 8y ago
  I gave you the meaning of irrational that I'm using. You can cite any definition you want and demand I explain how what I said fits in the framework of definitions I never used, but that definitely doesn't seem like a reasonable or logical request. So maybe start with that?