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I'm sorry but you are embracing yourself. I seem to have really strong opinion on things that you really don't seem to know much about. > I doubt BFR even exi

by nickik 8y ago

I'm sorry but you are embracing yourself. I seem to have really strong opinion on things that you really don't seem to know much about. > I doubt BFR even exists outside of graphics renditions. We know what exists and what doesn't. The most important thing about a rocket is a new engine, and they have showed videos of it firing 3 years ago and have since then shown many more videos of it firing for different duration and so on. They have bought a factor and they have shown of structural tools to build the frame of the BFR. They have started to construct sections. The have already build and tested a carbon fiber tank for example. So, yes, it doesn't exists yet but they are very clearly building it and working on it right now. Its not some hype where everybody just believes Elon because he has a mindspell on everybody, they are actually showing of hardware all the time. > Mars colonization is well beyond their technical capabilities even if there is a market for it. Mars colonization is incredibly difficult and of course it is outside their technical capability, and everybody including Elon would agree with you. The important point is that they are working towards resolving this, unlike most people. > NASA for example didn't start by putting a man on the moon. Space exploration is a dangerous, slow, expensive, stepwise process. They did mercury, gemini, and then finally Apollo. Yes and SpaceX started with the Falcon 1, then the Falcon 9, then Falcon Heavy and then BFR. The also started with Dragon 1 then made that reusable, now they are building Dragon 2 (Cargo and Crew) and they will fly those for a couple of years. And they are working on the next generation after that with the BFS. They will start by sending humans to the space station, then around the moon and probably do some other stuff before sending people to mars. Your narrative that they are ignorant and just make a mars shot is false, the have a very deliberate and systematic growth in their capabilities. Raptor: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7kqFt3nID4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7kqFt3nID4 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb2IEU1taFs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb2IEU1taFs - https://youtu.be/zu7WJD8vpAQ?t=45m30s https://youtu.be/zu7WJD8vpAQ?t=45m30s Tank: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93rBH4Ysb8Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93rBH4Ysb8Y Structure: - https://youtu.be/zu7WJD8vpAQ?t=44m40s https://youtu.be/zu7WJD8vpAQ?t=44m40s Your constant claims that everybody is just "drinking the Kool aid" and your the only one smart enough to understand what is really going on is just false. I and others understand exactly what SpaceX current capabilities are, what they are doing in the short term and what they are devloping in the longer term. That's why we are exited.

computerex 8y ago
> I'm sorry but you are embracing yourself. I do love embracing myself. In all seriousness, I am already aware and have seen everything you have posted. Nothing that I have said is wrong. > So, yes, it doesn't exists yet but they are very clearly building it and working on it right now. It is ingenuine at best to post things like this on twitter: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1043250540379926528 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1043250540379926528 When they don't even have a launch vehicle yet, let alone a man-rated launch vehicle. Not to mention the other billion challenges in a crewed 7+ month flight. These are some of the challenges in human certification: https://nodis3.gsfc.nasa.gov/npg_img/N_PR_8705_002C_/N_PR_8705_002C_.pdf https://nodis3.gsfc.nasa.gov/npg_img/N_PR_8705_002C_/N_PR_87... Hell, forget BFS, Dragon2 isn't even human certified and isn't expected to be human certified till 2020 as per the U.S government. > Your constant claims that everybody is just "drinking the Kool aid" and your the only one smart enough to understand what is really going on is just false. I and others understand exactly what SpaceX current capabilities are, what they are doing in the short term and what they are devloping in the longer term. That's why we are exited. I am not the only skeptic calling bullshit on Elon's premature announcements. Also, just look at some of the comments in response to his twitter announcement about Mars base alpha. https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/9/30/13099898/mars-death-risk-illustrated https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/9/30/13099898/ma... BTW, I think you're the one "embracing" yourself with the number of typos in your comment.
- nickik 8y ago
  First of all, human certification is only if you want to fly with NASA. If Elon does not want to fly NASA he doesn't have to human rate it. The mars picture was not an 'announcements', it just a concept.
  - computerex 8y ago
    Clearly you haven't been following along, but NASA is SpaceX's primary customer. If SpaceX does not man rate the BFR, they'll go bankrupt real quick. Additionally, spaceflight is under the domain of the FAA so there are a crap of regulations there that they have to be compliant with even if they aren't flying with NASA. https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ast/human_space_flight_reqs/ https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/as...

by nickik 8y ago

computerex 8y ago

> I'm sorry but you are embracing yourself. I do love embracing myself. In all seriousness, I am already aware and have seen everything you have posted. Nothing that I have said is wrong. > So, yes, it doesn't exists yet but they are very clearly building it and working on it right now. It is ingenuine at best to post things like this on twitter: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1043250540379926528 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1043250540379926528 When they don't even have a launch vehicle yet, let alone a man-rated launch vehicle. Not to mention the other billion challenges in a crewed 7+ month flight. These are some of the challenges in human certification: https://nodis3.gsfc.nasa.gov/npg_img/N_PR_8705_002C_/N_PR_8705_002C_.pdf https://nodis3.gsfc.nasa.gov/npg_img/N_PR_8705_002C_/N_PR_87... Hell, forget BFS, Dragon2 isn't even human certified and isn't expected to be human certified till 2020 as per the U.S government. > Your constant claims that everybody is just "drinking the Kool aid" and your the only one smart enough to understand what is really going on is just false. I and others understand exactly what SpaceX current capabilities are, what they are doing in the short term and what they are devloping in the longer term. That's why we are exited. I am not the only skeptic calling bullshit on Elon's premature announcements. Also, just look at some of the comments in response to his twitter announcement about Mars base alpha. https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/9/30/13099898/mars-death-risk-illustrated https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/9/30/13099898/ma... BTW, I think you're the one "embracing" yourself with the number of typos in your comment.

nickik 8y ago
First of all, human certification is only if you want to fly with NASA. If Elon does not want to fly NASA he doesn't have to human rate it. The mars picture was not an 'announcements', it just a concept.
- computerex 8y ago
  Clearly you haven't been following along, but NASA is SpaceX's primary customer. If SpaceX does not man rate the BFR, they'll go bankrupt real quick. Additionally, spaceflight is under the domain of the FAA so there are a crap of regulations there that they have to be compliant with even if they aren't flying with NASA. https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ast/human_space_flight_reqs/ https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/as...