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>The irrationality is assuming that you are able to be an impartial observer who can 'regularly' notice 'Chinese students sitting in the back of class openly wh

>The irrationality is assuming that you are able to be an impartial observer who can 'regularly' notice 'Chinese students sitting in the back of class openly whispering during exams' and that means that Chinese people cheat more. 1. You conveniently disregarded my emphasis on the fact that this is an increasingly common collective observation. 2. You cannot explain away every observation of cultural differences by allegations of confirmation bias. It is absurd that we are supposed to ignore only negative cultural patterns. Hell, we are talking about a group of people which has been indoctrinated by the Communist Party for decades, from birth for at least a generation. You really think it implausible that cheating on Western soil is culturally acceptable?

thr912 8y ago
the problem isn't the collective observation. The problem is that there is no symmetrical collective observation that is even possible. it's not common to see similar anecdotes and think "we" are cheaters: https://www.plagiarism.org/article/plagiarism-facts-and-stats https://www.plagiarism.org/article/plagiarism-facts-and-stat... https://www.quora.com/Everyone-is-cheating-in-my-AP-Chemistry-class-should-I https://www.quora.com/Everyone-is-cheating-in-my-AP-Chemistr... https://abc13.com/education/nearly-entire-class-caught-cheating-on-final-exam/122570/ https://abc13.com/education/nearly-entire-class-caught-cheat... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfqFEiP10_E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfqFEiP10_E people cheat. wells fargo, mlb, cycling, track and field, doctors, prosecutors. not only the employees, athletes, and students, but the ceo's, refs, judges, coaches, and the teachers cheat too: https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/04/why-teachers-cheat/480039/ https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/04/why-te... none of these examples are isolated incidents, and are patterns in our own culture. And if you live in this system, and the one pattern you observe is that Chinese students cheat, then there is probably some bias in your thinking.
dang 8y ago
You started this wretched flamewar and now have taken it to an even lower level. We have a high tolerance for assuming good faith on HN, but the stench of prejudice here is acrid. If you do race war or nationalistic flamewar on HN again we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

thr912 8y ago

the problem isn't the collective observation. The problem is that there is no symmetrical collective observation that is even possible. it's not common to see similar anecdotes and think "we" are cheaters: https://www.plagiarism.org/article/plagiarism-facts-and-stats https://www.plagiarism.org/article/plagiarism-facts-and-stat... https://www.quora.com/Everyone-is-cheating-in-my-AP-Chemistry-class-should-I https://www.quora.com/Everyone-is-cheating-in-my-AP-Chemistr... https://abc13.com/education/nearly-entire-class-caught-cheating-on-final-exam/122570/ https://abc13.com/education/nearly-entire-class-caught-cheat... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfqFEiP10_E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfqFEiP10_E people cheat. wells fargo, mlb, cycling, track and field, doctors, prosecutors. not only the employees, athletes, and students, but the ceo's, refs, judges, coaches, and the teachers cheat too: https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/04/why-teachers-cheat/480039/ https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/04/why-te... none of these examples are isolated incidents, and are patterns in our own culture. And if you live in this system, and the one pattern you observe is that Chinese students cheat, then there is probably some bias in your thinking.

dang 8y ago

You started this wretched flamewar and now have taken it to an even lower level. We have a high tolerance for assuming good faith on HN, but the stench of prejudice here is acrid. If you do race war or nationalistic flamewar on HN again we will ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html