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> The research that matters, yes. There and in a few others all around the world. Do you have any basis for this claim? I've found that (for example) the top

by ci5er 8y ago

> The research that matters, yes. There and in a few others all around the world. Do you have any basis for this claim? I've found that (for example) the top research in cosmology and the top in material design and the top in semiconductor physics (as it moves into exploring exotics) are not only different universities (around the world), but that none of them are the three that are mentioned up-thread. Now, I can sling an anecdote with the best of them, but I am surprised at your claim, so I'm hoping you have better data than I?

coldtea 8y ago
>but that none of them are the three that are mentioned up-thread. Not sure if cosmology is some exception (I guess one could find specialist universities in all kinds of subjects), but overall those three as exactly ranked as the top three, ranked by papers, quality, citations, patents, etc, here, across all kinds of fields: "To compile the 2017 ranking of the world’s most innovative universities, Clarivate Analytics (formerly the Intellectual Property & Science business of Thomson Reuters) began by identifying more than 600 global organizations – including educational institutions, nonprofit charities and government-funded labs – that publish the most academic research. Then they evaluated each candidate on 10 different metrics, focusing on academic papers (which indicate basic research) and patent filings (which point to an institution’s ability to apply research and commercialize its discoveries), and ranked them based on their performance." 1 Stanford University 2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) 3 Harvard University https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amers-reuters-ranking-innovative-univ/reuters-top-100-the-worlds-most-innovative-universities-2017-idUSKCN1C209R https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amers-reuters-ranking-inn...
- ci5er 8y ago
  I'm curious, in your experience, (and I am curious - not being argumentative), how socially connected do you find the citation graph to be? A while back, I was mapping innovation diffusion, as indicated by papers and patents and hiring company's R&D budgets and ROI on said investment and the like, and I was surprised at how much innovation spreads through folks that know one another, as opposed to papers that anyone could (in theory) read. I have to guess that people would similarly cite papers of people they know (maybe even of the same lab?). Do you think that has any effect on the score that you are pointing me towards?
- zeroname 8y ago
  Oh come on, everybody can churn out papers and patent filings. If you go by Nobel prizes, the ranking is different (leaving out non-US contestants): Physics: 1. MIT 2. Harvard 3. Berkeley 4. Chicago 5. Columbia Chemistry: 1. Harvard 2. Berkeley 3. Chicago 4. Caltech 5. MIT Medicine: 1. Harvard 2. Rockefeller 3. Columbia 4. Caltech 5. WashU Conclusion: Stanford is overrated.
- LeanderK 8y ago
  this is exactly what I wanted to criticise by my comment. I don't think these rankings are that important because they don't capture what the (original) article wanted to measure. There's only one stanford, which might be better than every other university out there. But there are a lot, often way smaller, universities out there that produce fantastic research. You have to add them together.

by ci5er 8y ago

coldtea 8y ago

>but that none of them are the three that are mentioned up-thread. Not sure if cosmology is some exception (I guess one could find specialist universities in all kinds of subjects), but overall those three as exactly ranked as the top three, ranked by papers, quality, citations, patents, etc, here, across all kinds of fields: "To compile the 2017 ranking of the world’s most innovative universities, Clarivate Analytics (formerly the Intellectual Property & Science business of Thomson Reuters) began by identifying more than 600 global organizations – including educational institutions, nonprofit charities and government-funded labs – that publish the most academic research. Then they evaluated each candidate on 10 different metrics, focusing on academic papers (which indicate basic research) and patent filings (which point to an institution’s ability to apply research and commercialize its discoveries), and ranked them based on their performance." 1 Stanford University 2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) 3 Harvard University https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amers-reuters-ranking-innovative-univ/reuters-top-100-the-worlds-most-innovative-universities-2017-idUSKCN1C209R https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amers-reuters-ranking-inn...

ci5er 8y ago
I'm curious, in your experience, (and I am curious - not being argumentative), how socially connected do you find the citation graph to be? A while back, I was mapping innovation diffusion, as indicated by papers and patents and hiring company's R&D budgets and ROI on said investment and the like, and I was surprised at how much innovation spreads through folks that know one another, as opposed to papers that anyone could (in theory) read. I have to guess that people would similarly cite papers of people they know (maybe even of the same lab?). Do you think that has any effect on the score that you are pointing me towards?
zeroname 8y ago
Oh come on, everybody can churn out papers and patent filings. If you go by Nobel prizes, the ranking is different (leaving out non-US contestants): Physics: 1. MIT 2. Harvard 3. Berkeley 4. Chicago 5. Columbia Chemistry: 1. Harvard 2. Berkeley 3. Chicago 4. Caltech 5. MIT Medicine: 1. Harvard 2. Rockefeller 3. Columbia 4. Caltech 5. WashU Conclusion: Stanford is overrated.
LeanderK 8y ago
this is exactly what I wanted to criticise by my comment. I don't think these rankings are that important because they don't capture what the (original) article wanted to measure. There's only one stanford, which might be better than every other university out there. But there are a lot, often way smaller, universities out there that produce fantastic research. You have to add them together.